22-05-2004 10:05									#31
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DOWN WITH SOCIAL SECURITY DOWN WITH MOST FORMS OF THEFT UP WITH LIBERTARIANISM.

	22-05-2004 10:29									#32
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moderates will never leave because all moderates are too much chicken to do anything. moderates = dont care enought about what they believe in to do anything.

	22-05-2004 10:32									#33
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'moderate' republican?

Who are they?

Those who agree with the Democrats?

	22-05-2004 10:53									#34
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Many so-called moderate republicans are closet democrats.

It's the Religious Right that aren't Republicans, not the moderates.

	22-05-2004 10:54									#35
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edit: already pointed out

	22-05-2004 10:55									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi 'moderate' republican? Who are they? Those who agree with the Democrats?

Those who actually care about spending and don't want to impose Christianity on the rest of us.

	22-05-2004 11:06									#37
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Be carefull what you wish for, you might get it. Your state pays less to the Fed Gov than it gets back.

	22-05-2004 11:43									#38
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara What would you cut in government spending? The biggest item in the budget is the military. I'm all for cutting that.

the military could be cut a little. No doubt. It is still too large.

Education spending could also be cut.

*gasp*. Diss mentions cutting the uncuttable! Education!!

Face it, we aren't getting **** in return of the billions we are pouring into education. America's youth are a lost cause.

	22-05-2004 11:46									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Promethus Dis Be carefull what you wish for, you might get it. Your state pays less to the Fed Gov than it gets back.

source?

we don't get **** back, except nuclear waste

Las Vegas isn't considered a terrorist threat for some reason, so we get very little money for homeland defense.

Our schools are the worst in the nation, so we get very little education money, because of the no child left behind act.

	22-05-2004 11:49									#40
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quote: 'moderate' republican? Who are they? Those who agree with the Democrats?

something about republican party discipline. i love the fact that if you disagree with something the party does, you must be a 'moderate' or 'liberal' and therefore not a true member of the republican party.

all the more reason to **** the parties in general and hope that they get completely, utterly destroyed. destroy them, and then ban political parties--all of them, for they are nothing more than political evil.

	22-05-2004 11:57									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident the military could be cut a little. No doubt. It is still too large.

Too large? The US can't even manage an occupation of a third world country. Too expensive maybe, but not too large if you seriously intend to go around changing regimes.

	22-05-2004 11:58									#42
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maybe we shouldn't be changing regimes.

I remember Bush saying back in 2001 he wasn't into nation building.

	22-05-2004 11:58									#43
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nye, to be fair we are spread out over vast distances and are managing two thrid world occupations. the problem is we have people in germany and japan and other benign countries doing nothing.

	22-05-2004 11:59									#44
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Never, all republicna are morons.

	22-05-2004 12:09									#45
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 nye, to be fair we are spread out over vast distances and are managing two thrid world occupations. the problem is we have people in germany and japan and other benign countries doing nothing.

Of course. However the fact remains that the US has too few boots to put on any ground to be able to maintain commitments and take on what must qualify as a 4th world country at the same time as a moderately sized 3rd.

If you don't have the manpower to do it right, maybe regime changes should be passed over. I was and am in favour of getting rid of Saddam, but I don't fancy him being replaced by something worse 5 years from now on account of the US administration radiacally underestimating manpower requirements for subduing a hostile nation.

	22-05-2004 12:20									#46
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Go on slash social services. Then the US will unquestionably be a third world country.

In fact I'm begging for them to do it. Slash the lot. Then it will only be a couple of years before your society resembles that of the Congo.

When the Republicans understand that government spending can be efficiency promoting in certain areas perhaps they will be allowed to play with the big kids.

	22-05-2004 12:25									#47
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Why are your schools the worst in the nation? I thought that braging right belonged to Texas.

	22-05-2004 12:27									#48
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Bush wants the whole country to be illiterate so that he won't feel out of place.

	22-05-2004 12:40									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Go on slash social services. Then the US will unquestionably be a third world country. In fact I'm begging for them to do it. Slash the lot. Then it will only be a couple of years before your society resembles that of the Congo. When the Republicans understand that government spending can be efficiency promoting in certain areas perhaps they will be allowed to play with the big kids.

you need to take an economics class

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quote: Originally posted by Promethus Dis Why are your schools the worst in the nation? I thought that braging right belonged to Texas.

Texas does alright.

On some surveys we do rate the worst. Although on others we do not. It depends on what they are measuring at the time. We do the worst on reading though, our mathematics is only like 3rd worst

Much of that is due to our very, very large mexican population. Many do not know how to speak, read, or write English. And we continue the archaic method of bi-lingual education. The same systme California abandoned years ago because it was in-effective.

So that is why our reading scores are dead last.

Mississippi is usually up there with us. Often listed as second worst.

	22-05-2004 13:19									#51
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Of course. However the fact remains that the US has too few boots to put on any ground to be able to maintain commitments and take on what must qualify as a 4th world country at the same time as a moderately sized 3rd. If you don't have the manpower to do it right, maybe regime changes should be passed over. I was and am in favour of getting rid of Saddam, but I don't fancy him being replaced by something worse 5 years from now on account of the US administration radiacally underestimating manpower requirements for subduing a hostile nation.

the constant problem though is the belief that through technology we wont need as much manpower. Well to occupy you do need tons of man power.

	22-05-2004 22:06									#52
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quote: Face it, we aren't getting **** in return of the billions we are pouring into education. America's youth are a lost cause.

How old are you, 60? That's something my grandfather would say.

America's youth are a lost cause...do you have anything to back that up, or is that just a crazy opinion?

	22-05-2004 23:11									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident the military could be cut a little. No doubt. It is still too large. Education spending could also be cut. *gasp*. Diss mentions cutting the uncuttable! Education!! Face it, we aren't getting **** in return of the billions we are pouring into education. America's youth are a lost cause.

We are doing cuts, one of the things Rumsfeld is doing is closing useless bases around the globe. still there is only so much blood that will be squeezed from the discretionary spending stone.

	22-05-2004 23:35									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi 'moderate' republican? Who are they? Those who agree with the Democrats?

No. We're the ones who *despise* the left-wingers *and* right-wingers because neither seem to know how to govern a diverse, democratic nation. All they care about are their particular interest groups. Moderates such as myself, OTOH, are more concerned with how to govern said nation and keep wingers from tearing each other's throats out and bringing down everything they love around them in the process.

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	23-05-2004 00:51									#55
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quote: Many so-called moderate republicans are closet democrats.

Then why don't you kick them out? We would all be better off if you did.

	23-05-2004 00:53									#56
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 the constant problem though is the belief that through technology we wont need as much manpower. Well to occupy you do need tons of man power.

That would be the crux of the issue.

	23-05-2004 06:23									#57
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I'm hoping this is the year the small-government Republicans will throw up their hands and vote Libertarian or Constitutionalist. Sure, that might throw the election to Kerry the way Nader did for Bush last time, but so what? Even if you think Kerry is pond scum, what's he going to do that's worse than Bush? Run record deficits? Give illegal aliens a free pass? Throw money at the National Endowment for the Arts?

If you find Kerry and Bush to both be unpalatable, you might as well cast a vote which makes a statement. If 20-25% of the votes went to a small-government candidate, it would send a powerful message.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Go on slash social services. Then the US will unquestionably be a third world country. In fact I'm begging for them to do it. Slash the lot. Then it will only be a couple of years before your society resembles that of the Congo. When the Republicans understand that government spending can be efficiency promoting in certain areas perhaps they will be allowed to play with the big kids.

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	23-05-2004 08:54									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Rex Little If you find Kerry and Bush to both be unpalatable, you might as well cast a vote which makes a statement. If 20-25% of the votes went to a small-government candidate, it would send a powerful message.

But who? Russo? All my lib friends are liking Russo, I saw him on Fox News and he was crazy as a loon. Even for a libertarian he was pretty out there. I sure hope he doesn't get the nomination. Nolan will be better.

But anyways, the party is screwed. The only hope is for libertarian minded folks (and I mean Cato type libertarians who know how to play nice with others, not the radicals in the LP) to take over one of the big two parties.

I do think Bush is gonna be quite damaged this year when all his liberty minded, small government republicans stay home. Things might change in their party if he looses because of it. I'd really like to see that.

H. W. Bush lost cause he alienated the religious right. Then his son catered to them to get elected. If W. Bush looses cause he alienates the libertarians, then maybe some future candidate will cater to libertarians.

One can hope.

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quote: Those who actually care about spending and don't want to impose Christianity on the rest of us.

Right.

I'm glad that I fall into the category of a moderate republican.

I think you need to adjust your definition of the 'religious right'.

Hardly any of them are big spenders.

quote: Moderates such as myself, OTOH, are more concerned with how to govern said nation and keep wingers from tearing each other's throats out and bringing down everything they love around them in the process.

Pragmatists? Why then are they 'republican'?