02-06-2004 05:02									#31
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Speer: Seems about right to me. I'd probably put Edwards closer to Kerry and Dean, Braun and Gephart further left (Dean and Gephart on employee's rights, Braun on Affirmative Action), but otherwise pretty correct, IMHO. I think Kerry's in about the right place, and Lieberman I'd have as the most right-wing.

	02-06-2004 05:04									#32
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i got a question about British politics... when they had the Spain train bombing, there was that message going around from Al Qaeda saying if european countries ceased support for US, they wouldn't be attacked. i remember the news shows having the scrolling message, "British opposition leader calls message repugnant" or something like that.

but who's the opposition in England? Aint it the Tories and the Liberal Democrats? if anything, aren't the opposition "our guys" from the Republican perspective as opposed to the Labour party. Aint the Tories and Dems more supportive of America, war on terror, etc. than even Blair?

	02-06-2004 05:06									#33
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Drogue:

yes lieberman should be the most right... instead, Edwards is ???

and Kerry should be more right wing than Dean and Clark... how the pundits were claiming, them two pushed the democrats (Kerry) to the left so they couldn't be more right wing than Kerry...

	02-06-2004 05:18									#34
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Well, I'd say Dean was left of Kerry, Clarke probably quite close. Both slightly more authoritarian though. Edwards a bit out, but not that far. He was elected by a Southern state, and is more towards the right of the Dems.

As for the UK. The Tories (Conservatives) are in opposition, and Michael Howard is the leader of the opposition. He was Home Secretary under Major (and part of Thatcher's era?). The Tories support the war, and are traditionally more for imposing western values than Labour. However recently they have been against some of Blair's policies, claiming he's mishandled the peace. The Lib Dems are also in opposition, but are the 3rd party. They've been against the war from the start, but don't want to pull the troops yet.

It was Howard who made that comment.

	02-06-2004 05:23									#35
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Drogue:

so when Fox News, CNN, etc. quoted the opposition, it was kind of silly... for example, if the same thing happened in the US, they'd put up a quote from someone like Dick Gephardt or John Kerry... someone who is opposed to the war... so saying, even the opposition who is opposed to the war finds it disturbing...

using the same example, what the news shows basically did by quoting Howard was like quoting Cheney... right?

silly news shows...

	02-06-2004 05:36									#36
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Nope. Howard's official position is the leader of the opposition. He's not a member of the government, but he's the leader of those in opposition. Hence he sits directly opposite Tony Blair in the House of Commons, and speaks for the Tory party, the largest party in opposition, and the only party really capable of deposing Blair.

To draw a comparison with US politics, imagine that there isn't a President, but that the House Majority Leader is in charge, with a group of other Congressmen. The House Majority Leader is like our PM, Blair. The House Minority Leader would therefore be like our Leader of the Opposition, Howard.

In the UK, both the Government and the opposition, are pro-War, though they disagree about the way the peace has been handled. The people against the war are the 3rd party, the Liberal Democrats, and some Labour MPs.

Fox can quote that even the opposition found it disturbing, but the opposition is more right-wing than the government, over here.

	02-06-2004 05:48									#37
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Economic: -7.38
Social: -5.28

	02-06-2004 06:01									#38
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This time:
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82

Previous time:
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.72

	02-06-2004 06:26									#39
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Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.05

	02-06-2004 06:38									#40
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Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90

Thats almost the same as Gandhi

	02-06-2004 07:53									#41
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WTF is up with the santa cap, Blake?

	02-06-2004 08:36									#42
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I'm kinda close to Gandhi or the Dalai Lama

-5.50 econ
-5.33 social

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	02-06-2004 08:55									#43
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Look how far left all you people are

	02-06-2004 08:57									#44
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...and you thought I was just roleplaying.

	02-06-2004 09:54									#45
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I won't make that mistake again.

	02-06-2004 10:28									#46
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun WTF is up with the santa cap, Blake?

I dunno, prehaps I take it off at Christmas?

	02-06-2004 10:34									#47
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If I take the test based on idealism, this is what I get:

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36

	02-06-2004 11:01									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Blake I dunno, prehaps I take it off at Christmas?

you weird



Everyone point and laugh at the weirdo.

	02-06-2004 11:04									#49
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Economic Left/Right: 2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

	02-06-2004 11:04									#50
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Mr Pres:

quote: Look how far left all you people are

quote: Economic Left/Right: 0.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.05

maybe you should be in red china not Brazil you communist bastard... on this side of the ocean, we're capitalist and authouritarian beotch

	02-06-2004 11:06									#51
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quote: Economic Left/Right: 2.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

communist

	02-06-2004 12:34									#52
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Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97

Interesting. I'm up there with Gandhi, Mandela, Dalai Lama, and Al Sharpton (?). I always thought I was an exact opposite. Guess I'd be an enlightened dictator then.

	02-06-2004 12:38									#53
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why?

should my political views change that much over a few months?

okay you got me. i'm bored. I'm taking it right now.

	02-06-2004 12:49									#54
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ahh screw it. I hit the printable page, didn't like that, hit the back key and my results disappeared.

It was like -2.25 and -1.10. Or something like that. Social libertarian.

don't ask me why I'm so far left on the economic scale. I voted the freer the market, the freer the people. But I also suggested companies cannot be trusted with the environment. I am an environmentalist, but I also support big business.

	02-06-2004 12:52									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer maybe you should be in red china not Brazil you communist bastard... on this side of the ocean, we're capitalist and authouritarian beotch

I'm not capitalist enough?

	02-06-2004 12:55									#56
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bunch of damn commies in this board.

	02-06-2004 13:02									#57
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Just told my wife that I come closest to Gandhi. Following is her reaction:

	02-06-2004 13:03									#58
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I cannot decipher that smilie code

	02-06-2004 13:17									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I cannot decipher that smilie code

Its fairly straightforward.

Well, first she laughed alot. Then she said "Yeah, Right" followed by more laughs. Then she asked if I was dizzy followed by more laughs. After that we argued about it some then she laughed more and started bashing me followed by more laughing. Finally, she gave me a few "I'm not worthies" then walked away with laughter fading in the distance. Aaaah, l'amour!
(I should just get a dog )

	02-06-2004 13:19									#60
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I took it again. This time I was -1.88 and -1.38