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Do you accept usage of the Military Calculator (Time out:0 days after 08-06-2004, 06:57)
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He wasn't a lot of things. A good PM well we might just add that to the list.

Sorry getting of the track here.

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Does anybody ever choose to reduce their numbers?


Well, I certainly have no intention of RPing a 13 million strong military. And people most certainly would RP with reduced numbers if that was what it took to get a technological edge.

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the 13 million should be halved to allow for support and logisitics,, so only a 7 million army..

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No No no. It's not " I am spending 500 points on bananaland."

Like this, for example:

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Azan has 2,456,155 points. for that, I'll take: a) 120 regiments of Main Battle tanks, Ultra High-tech, Elite crew. That would be: 120x600x2.5x3= 540,000 ( in this example, 600 is the cost for an MBT regiment, 2.5 is the technology modifier, and 3 is the crew modifier.) b) 210 regiments of Mechanized Infantry, Medium technology, Elite crew That would be: 210x300x1.2x3=226800


etc. etc.
Of course, this is an example.

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ok so we use a claculator type thingy to get the points allotment and use a table of equipment troops etc with a value for them?

Thats fine by me.....

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Will there be a record of whar ppl chhose with their points? Or will they just change it to suit a particular battle every time? Sounds good but we need to get it fixed once you select you equipment.

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once we get some form of agreement, we can have a thread with the numbers put into it... then it makes easy referral later...

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Jeez, a nation's economic priorities have a very big effect on its numbers.
You should probably reduce this a bit, as this doesn't always apply IRL.

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which ones you refrring to squib!!!

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Will there be an offical thread to post's ones military..

so if you dont plan right, there could be no

"wait, thats not what I have"

If one buy's 500k boy scouts, that is just to bad...


just evil thoughts

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once we get agreement on the form of military rule we will have a thread setup for it so everyone will know...

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which ones you refrring to squib!!!

Check out Soda v. Auto Manufacturing.
It (probably) influences the economic (and therefore military) might of a nation, but does it shrink their army enlistment?

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Sorry guys, I've realy only just started to read this stuff. I think the idea of using the mil calculator for generating point is a good idea. Then spending the points to buy military is even better.
We would need some type of moderator to keep track of things but if we posted once a week our mil points, everyone could keep track of what is available.
Then if someone all of a sudden has an extra 50 tank regiments they can justify how they got them.
Once it gets up and going we could add things like defeated reqiments are reduced to 50% strength for a pre determined time. ect ect. Something along the lines of regaining strength at 2% per rt day. That would mean aprox 1 month to regain 100%.

Just a thought.

We would need to standardise what regiments, Divisions, Brigades are. I think most ppl here have their Divisions around 25k. That's fine but as for my Divisions they are 46k but only 16k infantry, 31k in total fighting troops, the rest are support of some kind or another.
You have to face reality you cannot have 25k troops in the field with out support.
Of course you can have infantry divisions in the field but not on their onw and not as a majority of ones forces.
I will post my division breakdown when I work out where to post it.

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Does anybody ever choose to reduce their numbers?


I would. No matter how large my military gets, I would make over 3/4's of it dedicated to internal policing and security. Having an overly large military would not be fair to the other nations, IMHO, and I would rather have my nation on a lesser offensive military footing compared to other nations....I think it would be only fair for my nation to be weaker than others.

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Basically, my point is that Arms Manufacturing gives too much of an edge numbers-wise.
Thinking this out, I think that having a very large private Arms Manufacturing sector could be bad for your military, as the government might still have to buy their arms.
It would make little difference who they bought them from!

[SOTTO]Personally, I think Raspie fixed it like this to give his nation an edge.[/SOTTO]

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If you look at most 'Western' countries around the world, they use the private sector to manufacture their arms anyway. They are all done on Defence contracts.

I am speaking from experience here. I spent 12 years in the Australian Army as an armourer and cursed ADI (Australian Defence Industries) nearly every day. Just about everything now days is contracted out (to the lowest bidder).

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They'd do better nationalising things, I reckon.
It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper, and the workmanship could improve, depending on the government.
If they need cash, they can rip it out of Social Welfare, and introduce tarrifs.

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Basically, my point is that Arms Manufacturing gives too much of an edge numbers-wise.
Thinking this out, I think that having a very large private Arms Manufacturing sector could be bad for your military, as the government might still have to buy their arms.
It would make little difference who they bought them from!

[SOTTO]Personally, I think Raspie fixed it like this to give his nation an edge.[/SOTTO]


actually no... i made it to resemble the USA forces and also the australian one. two extremes of the real world... '

it just so happens i have always played nation states to keep a large defence priority and industrial strength behind that...

the larger nations here have much larger armies than me as it should be, the only ones who suffered are those that have made diffenret choices at NS.....

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They'd do better nationalising things, I reckon.
It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper, and the workmanship could improve, depending on the government.
If they need cash, they can rip it out of Social Welfare, and introduce tarrifs.


not true at all, very rarely do national owned compaines outperform the private enterprise....

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the workmanship could improve, depending on the government

The problem is... generally this doesn't happen. Government-control seems to beget waste and stifle innovation since it depends on strict regimentation and command structures- as was detailed in the fall of the soviet union

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It lets me promote my own views without appearing too egomaniacal. At least to a casual inspection.

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not true at all, very rarely do national owned compaines outperform the private enterprise....


In doing what?

Private companies are unsurpassed in accumlating capital, but that does not mean they are always better in creating an efficient production model.

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Does anybody ever choose to reduce their numbers?


that Sir is a good question

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Private companies are unsurpassed in accumlating capital, but that does not mean they are always better in creating an efficient production model.

... nothing is absolute

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The other tough job for the moderator and those running(ruining)their world is the effect of whrn the ecnomy takes a change for the wosre..


Nothing like a big beffy armed forces and then military cut backs


ahh the reality

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If you look at most 'Western' countries around the world, they use the private sector to manufacture their arms anyway. They are all done on Defence contracts.

I am speaking from experience here. I spent 12 years in the Australian Army as an armourer and cursed ADI (Australian Defence Industries) nearly every day. Just about everything now days is contracted out (to the lowest bidder).


ouch.....

I paid good money for those parts....

all that money at the bowser... every beer, every shot of whiskey... all those taxes sent to pay for...

 
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