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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 01-09-2001 10:02 AM</font>
It would be great if moderation wasn't needed. But, as proven over and over again... it is needed.
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This reminds of the parable of the auditors. Most business people hate auditors. Why? Because they HAVE to find mistakes in the accounts to justify their existence - to show they are "needed". So they go around nitpicking and always expanding the list of things that they consider faults in accounts.
Mods are just like this. If you had a look at the list of forbidden things before we had mods it was tiny. Now it gets longer every week.
Lighten up!
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Yes but Ming I'm sure you know exactly what I mean because you are in business 
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You're not prepared to address the main point of my story though.
Altogether now!
*All we are saying,
Is Give Fun A Chance!*
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
time: 00:13
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I think this thread has gone long enough.
It's time for a:
Case Closed!
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by tniem on 01-09-2001 10:56 PM</font>
I think this thread has gone long enough.
It's time for a:
Case Closed!
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And who the hell are you?
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East Street Trader
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No problem with a private site having rules and very glad that this one does.
Also consider the test "anyone should be able to come here" to be a good one.
But I find it hard to understand your comment in the ACOL thread, Ming.
You are very well placed to guess how a thread here will develop. But if you act on that guess too readily by deleting threads which raise a challenging topic you will dumm down the discussion which takes place. No surprise, then, if a lot of spam and juvenile banter becomes the staple. Judging by your ACOL comment that is not something to which you wish to contribute.
I do not get to see the stuff you delete and, specifically, did not see the first few posts made to EVC's thread. So if you have to take out much that is seriously objectionable then please continue to be cautious. But your responses suggest that in this case the first few posts were merely a bit rubbishy. In that case I, simply as one poster who values Mark and Dan's excellent games players' site and the good humoured and painstaking moderation which contributes to its excellence, request that you stay your hand the next time - at least until a couple of the visitors invited over the threshold who might, if afforded the opportunity, make a thoughtful contribution, get the chance to do so.
And for EVC. Sexual attraction is truly mysterious. The exact feature which first attracts you to a woman can turn out to be the thing which eventually kills the attraction dead. And an outright blemish can, with time, intimacy and affection, come to be a huge turn on. If you had to pick one single aspect of human relations in which broad categorisation will always and inevitably give way to individual appreciation it would have to be sex.
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Ming
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East Street Trader... I hear you!
But...
I think people don't understand the simple fact that I'am NOT online 24/7. Yes, I'm online a bunch, but many times, I'm only checking in to see what's happening, and may not be available to check back in for a long period of time after that. As I stated before, I did see the thread, and let it stay at first. Yes, I was monitoring every post that was made to it, because I did expect the worst.
After seeing the "early results", I then deleted the thread. If I had had more time to stick around, I would have probably given it a little more time before pulling the plug(and that assumes that the trend of spam and hate would continue) ... but thinking I wasn't going to be able to check in for a long period, I had to make a decision. And I did.
And I have no problem with the decision I made. There was enough evidence to delete the thread already.
There have been some situations where I have made a different decision in the same situation... and I got burned by not removing it.
So again, (as usual), you are welcome to your opinion.
I will continue doing the job I have been tasked with.
And people will continue to disagree with my actions.
That's life
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 01-10-2001 04:15 PM</font>
I think people don't understand the simple fact that I'am NOT online 24/7.
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That's a damn lie. HAL never sleeps
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The Mad Viking
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of the Great White North
Feb 2000
time: 05:13
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Minquote: <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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This is pure BS!
Someone starts a serious thread, two idiots spam on it, and the threadstarter, and those who want a serious discussion get punished.
PUNISH THE FVCKING SPAMMERS!!!
I would favour post-count reductions to spammers- no banning right away, but just knock of a couple hundred posts.
Finally, I reiterate, close the thread, don't delete it.
Same goes for duplicate threads- a quick note as to where the discussion should be going on , and then close the thread. (No need even to take the time to put in a link)
Ming, I think your judgement in moderating this site is very good. But I object to deleting threads in general, and especially to deleting serious threads because others spam them.
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So now "clutter" is a bad thing? Sheesh! Put that in the faq
And don't punish spammers - they are the Ot's finest, if a little misunderstood.
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I didn't bother to read all messages. Just the begining of EVC's controversial thread. What has the liking of someone of the other race to do with civ?
And why is so much energy directed in degenerating Apolyton to one more of the millions of stupid forums that are all over the internet?
Apolyton is the best games forum I have ever found. Like I said I have not read all the messages in this particular thread but I have read my share of Apolyton's messages. And they rock. Why change it.
I have an advice to give to Ming and Mark: stop bothering about it and stop wasting energy on replying. The point is well taken and well established. Move on to other things. This is a huge site I imagine you must have a million things to take care of. So let's get serious.
No disrespect to EVC and the others. It's easy, just post somewhere else. I like Apolyton as it IS. The admins seem to agree. Case closed and deleted.
And don't worry, democracy will not colapse.
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Murgatroyd
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95 South, 113 West
Feb 2000
time: 21:13
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 01-09-2001 09:50 AM</font>
If a "legal" thread turns into a spam fest or flame war, it to will be deleted or closed.
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Ming, I would like to make a serious request with respect to threads that fall into this category. If a thread turns into a spam fest or flame war through no fault of the thread originator, please do not just delete the thread. Having seen at ACOL that EVC's racism thread could also develop into a serious discussion, I do not feel that you were justified in deleting it without an explanation. In cases like this, especially when you catch it before it has fully degenerated, you have several other options besides deletion:
Editing/deleting the offending posts.
Issuing a warning.
Closing the thread and explaining why it was closed.
I realize that these take longer than just deleting the thread, but many of us would truly appreciate the additional effort. It is somewhat disturbing to post one's thoughts on the internet, and return to find that those thoughts have vanished without a trace, as if they had never existed.
Please consider this, and don't be quite so quick to click on "Delete Topic" in the future. If you disagree with what I say here, please let me know.
Thanks,
Murgatroyd
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by paiktis22 on 01-12-2001 07:08 AM</font>
And don't worry, democracy will not colapse.
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paiktis eisai apaiktos 
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by GP on 01-12-2001 10:17 AM</font>
Never knew AH was such a sissy til now.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by GP (edited January 12, 2001).]</font>
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Its not sissy to participate in a bloodsport 
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DaShi
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The Taste of Japan
Sep 2000
time: 05:13
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That's life.
That's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April, shot down in May.
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June.
I said, "That's life,"
And as funny as it may seem,
Some people get their kicks stomping on a dream.
But I don't let ti, let it get me down,
Cause this fine ol' world keeps spinnin' around.
I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet,
a pawn, and a king.
I've been up and down, and over and out,
And I know one thing.
Each time I find myself flat on face,
I pick myself up and get back in the race.
That's life.
I tell ya, I can't deny it.
I thought of quittin' baby
But my heart just ain't gonna buy it.
And if I didn't think it was worth one single try,
I'd jump right on a big bird, and then I'd fly.
I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet,
a pawn, and a king.
I've been up and down, and over and out,
And I know one thing.
Each time I find myself layin' flat on face,
I just pick myself up and get back in the race.
That's life.
That's life, and I can't deny it,
Many times I've thought of cuttin' out,
But my heart won't buy it.
But if there's nothing shakin' come this here July,
I'm gonna roll myself up in a big ball and die.
My, my.
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it's time to end this, especially since the starter is not continuing it anymore...
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