18-06-2004 04:21									#31
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You are right about the to-hit bonus, If a plasma cannon misses all 4 hits miss. It seems worse then it is but it should average out to be the same amount of hit-miss for both weapons. I ran into this with disruptors vs Plasma cannons against displacement fields.

	18-06-2004 05:29									#32
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I think the salient points are these:

1) more guns with phasors

2) battles do not last more than 2 or 3 rounds for the most part

More guns means more changes to hit, this can not be over looked for races that will not have great computers. This is not so meaningful for creative races, but is paramount for others.

I used plasma cannons for years, exclusively, I did not switch for no reason.

	18-06-2004 05:41									#33
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BTW I have not even brought in the equation AutoFire and Shield Piercing. You will get SP as soon as you learn Plasma Cannons for the Phasors.

So while the cannnons are getting nothing but HV, the phasors could get SP and CO, if you like.

	18-06-2004 06:42									#34
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We haven't brought those in because we dont have them .

In our situation what we have is just the basic techs for both weapons.

	18-06-2004 06:46									#35
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By the way, I never get plasma cannons either unless i steal or trade for them, I'll already have phasors,or even gauss cannons if I want to skip phasors, and then disruptors.

	18-06-2004 06:50									#36
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Well I suspect we have beat that one enough.

	18-06-2004 06:51									#37
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anything to pump up my post count to king!

	18-06-2004 10:08									#38
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Ok, I will help you then. I don't care about my count anyway.

So I intended to ask you if you knew that Quil has pirates? I ask because A ship going to Kynan and passing right by.

	18-06-2004 10:21									#39
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Yes I remembered the event when it happened, but when a ship was built I just ordrered it to the front without any consideration for what I was doing. I'll send a ship back there later.

What do pirates do by the way?

	18-06-2004 10:23									#40
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Let me add this for your consideration. There are 8 Silicoids on Darlena. Guess what, they do ot get the +R bonus. What that means is we would be better off with one Coid as a worker to get the Sub boost and our onw people as researchers. Then the 26 we had would be getting 26 extra, instead of 18.

Also you will need to deal with pollution on planets that have non Tol on prorated basis.

	18-06-2004 10:40									#41
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Why so many freighters. Are you really sending that many pop around? There are only a few planets that are not able to feed themselfs and those could be fix quickly.

Planets that are all coids do not need food.

Shalako IV has a renewer, cloner and bio queued up. It does not have nay pollution, so it does not need it at this time. No need for a cloner, it is too small to make it pay off.

It has no farming, so I would rather move a rad shield and terraforming. Maybe a bio after the rad, then hydro, terra, soil, farm.

If we want to push research, move in an RL before the terraforming.

Zosma has a coid on farming?

Ixion I why was it not dusted? It is a small UP planet, why mess with it? You already have a planet in the system.

I did not look at all of them, but a few things caught my eye, that maybe worth a peek.

	18-06-2004 17:32									#42
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If we go for the Sarka we may need lots of food transfer, besides we need to be able to move pop as needed.

The rock farmer on Zosma is probably a newborn - it must be moved.

	18-06-2004 21:12									#43
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True you may need some transports, but IIRC thre are more than 90 now. That is a lot of production.

	18-06-2004 21:33									#44
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we were at one point moving around 15-20 points of population, so we needed the freighters. Also, we'll need the freighters because the silicoids don't seem to be growing very fast, we'll have to ship them to our colonies in bulk.

	18-06-2004 23:22									#45
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I remember now that by turn 100 you guys already had 15 freighters and never slowed down on the building of them.

I am not real fond of pop shuffling coids around, I would use Saks or sent just one coid to a nealy full planets to get the 2x pop.

This I would only do at a few super planets, just do not need it on every planet, unless this is a scoring run. Beside it makes more work for me.

This is the link to the T100 numbers:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...30&pagenumber=2

BTW are you thinking about the time you plan to go to Orion? I mention this as if you wait too long you could lose some free tech.

This is probably not much of a deal to a creative race as they will get all the std tech eventually anyway. But it is not a bad thing to get say Gaia transformation while you are still doing some of the 2750 and 3500RP stuff.

As a non creative race, I try to get any free stuff.

	18-06-2004 23:25									#46
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actually we built 85 of them in the last few terms.

	18-06-2004 23:25									#47
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We are going for orion as soon as we can scrap together 4 battleships with as many plasma cannons as we can put on them. We are building a starbase at kenyan for this purpose.

	18-06-2004 23:31									#48
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erm, 3 battleships, we have one at Cryslon, 1 at kenyan, and 1 5 turns away from Kenyan, 2 will have to be refitted.

Ok proposal time people, raise taxes to 50%, rush the starbase at kenyan, rush the refits. whats everyone think? We can launch for Orion in 5 turns. If we do that I'll take Orion on Monday.

Vxma1, don't worry about the others, their ships are made of paper right now, they lack critical components, the gaurdian will rock them.

	18-06-2004 23:56									#49
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Sorry, I was not thinkng of the others, just that you can get from 1 to 3 free techs from the fact that Orion is an Artifact planet.

These techs are predetermined at the start. So if you get to Orion after you have learned them, then you do not get the benefit.

Not big deal to creatives, but still something to consider.

	19-06-2004 00:05									#50
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Three more planets for your consideration. Forgive me, if I mentioned any already.

Dannu is on trade goods with no structure? An RL and AF would not hurt and it does not have an AMC. This is a rich gaia planet, worth building up a bit.

Quil doing a holo, then PP, robo, AR, RL, comp. I am not too sure about the value of a holo on a size 2 planet. Later it will make sense. It has a farmer so hydro may be useful. No pollution, so PP and AR are not needed and Houri is on her way there.

Not to mention it has Pirates.

Vela is housing and is already size 3. To me that makes it worth having an AF and RL at least.

In fact I do not house at this point in the game as I want AF and RL at least and probably some other structures, followed by defenses (at least the warp interdictor).

I understand you feel no one can threathen you, but if a war breaks out you do not have enough shipping to defend all your holdings.

	19-06-2004 00:17									#51
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One reason I do not like to que up build on a planet is it removes any opportunity to reevaluate the situation.

I want to stick only one build in so when it is done, I can determine what then makes sense to built.

In the late builds for a planet, I will que up the last items, but not at the start. I also will want to see if it makes sense to shuffle pop to another area at that point. I could have gained another pop and want it to do industry, instead of food for example.

It is not much different than CivIII, the govenor is not awful, but will cost you over time, if allowed to handle things. That is why I manage everything in Civ, does not matter if it a Monarch game or a Sid game. I am going to do everything. At monarch, I win regardless, at Sid I only win if I do it that way.

	19-06-2004 00:21									#52
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I just looked at the Star Streak VII (?), just an FYI, but removing the last phasor PD will increase your combat speed.

This could make a difference in some battles.

	19-06-2004 00:27									#53
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Sorry tobe doing so many little post, but then it lets you have lot of responses. It is just that I drop them as I see them.

I just want to suggest that you really need to get a stabilizer on those battleships. It is 50% to beam defense and halves turn cost. This item is much more important in Moo2 than Moo1.

Any battles against beamers really needs this and eventually HEF.

	19-06-2004 00:39									#54
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I'm well aware of the defense situation, we'll probably disperse the fleet after taking Orion.

	19-06-2004 00:59									#55
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There are a lot of ways to go after Orion. I do either a take down of a race with capture and hold tactics or lately I have been just doing a smash all of their planets and leave them empty.

Either way, I use a main fleet to move on to the next planet and rely on warp interdictors and planetary defensive to hold the fort.

I may have a secondary fleet to sit on a new planet and or rush to any that need help.

	19-06-2004 02:51									#56
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no warp interdictors yet.

	19-06-2004 04:08									#57
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True, but you could have them soon and should have by the time you hit Orion.

BTW did I make it clear what I meant about the Orion tech. I was not talking about the special stuff you get from Loknar. The death ray and the three other techs that are only antaran techs.

Those three techs are not predetermined and be change during the battle, if you want.

When you defeat the guardian you get 1 to 3 normal tech, as you would from any artifact world, if you are first there.

	19-06-2004 19:28									#58
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Right now we are going for genetics 2750, then construction 3500, then who knows what. I'd agree that we should break that and grab interdictors but no one is posting on that.

For now we'll just have to make do without them.