10-07-2004 22:22									#31
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quote: This would have each of us currently getting $75 no matter what.

No. That .25 from my vote for 100% shields would still be split between everyone who has shields. If you all voted for say, food 100% (for simplicity's sake), then the other .75 would be split between you 3 equally. I would end up with 1/12, you and Johnny with 1/3, and Makahula with 1/4 in that case.

	10-07-2004 22:59									#32
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Well here is the new chart, according to not counting commerce that is not being used to gain money in the amoont of money a city has to spend..

Using Aeson's formula, if I understand it correctly: Aeson-$8.33; Jonny and I-$33.33; and Makahlua-$25.

	11-07-2004 02:27									#33
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It would depend on what you guys wanted to vote for. All food was just a hypothetical. T & M would be best to vote for all Commerce (half each), while Jonny could vote for shields and/or food equally (he has 1/3 of each).

To illustrate the additional 'fun' this could bring to the table...

Jonny's position is a good example. I would want him to put more into shields instead of food. It's the same either way to him. Makahula would want him to put more into food instead of shields. So some bargaining could be done.

Or I could have my vote swayed to Commerce. It's worth $8.33 to me to vote 100% Shields, but it would be worth $12.50 for Makahula and $3.92 to TORARADICAL if I voted 100% Commerce. So if between Makahula and TORARADICAL they came up with incentive more than $8.33 I might be swayed. Jonny would want me not to switch (it's worth $8.33 to him if I don't), so there could be some bargaining power.

It would add another facet to the game, and could be really interesting.

	11-07-2004 02:30									#34
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Dang, do the sparse population in your town your going be cranking in the moola compared to the rest of us.

	11-07-2004 02:45									#35
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Yah... till the other 9 show up and decide they all want part of the action (and excluding me in any case... ). Or until about 3 turns later when your cities double our population (and thus your income)... and continue growing at 2x the speed for the rest of the game. Nobody in their right mind would want to be in Green city! (which is why we're here )

Also, is the bidding for tiles/units really going to be closed to those not represented in the city? This could get real ugly. I'd hate to see the game decided by where you start... seeing as everyone got their tile for free. I really think we should go with a freer market approach, otherwise I think this game will die pretty fast as people start to realize that a 'mistake' (even if that was just picking the best tile available) early has excluded them from winning the game. As we progress, it will get worse and worse. The 8 in the 'good' Settler will be there because they got in the 'good' tiles at the start and so could bid more... ect. ect. ect.

	11-07-2004 02:54									#36
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I think we should change the name of our city to:

The Asylum
Leper Colony (GF is good with names... this not part of the name though, unless you guys want it to be)
Crazy Larry's Firearm Emporium (update the weapon by tech level... Axe.. Spear.. Javelin.. Sword.. ect.. keep the turn player on their toes!)

	11-07-2004 03:09									#37
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No one can keep anyone from bidding on government owned tiles. What they were talking about was the initial 8 tiles for the Settlers and Units the city builds.

But, by not opening it up to everyone it limits the money the unit auctions bring it.

	11-07-2004 03:52									#38
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Ok. It will end all interest I have in building a military camp to help provide military for the other cities. We'll have to build Settlers just like everyone else to compete, or keep all our military for ourselves and go conquering. No other way to get into newly founded cities.

I don't think we should be doing this. It's a bad idea. I can only see problems arising from it.

	11-07-2004 04:08									#39
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I thought we were working a deal to trade Settlers/Workers for military units. Besides at eight tiles that still leaves 12 from each Settler that the government auctions off.

	11-07-2004 04:25									#40
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It's not going to work.

The drive to keep outsiders out of the auctions will show up to keep them out of the 'good' Settlers through trading too. We'd be able to trade for a Settler eventually maybe... but not until those in your cities have already gotten into a Settler or two themselves. Only when there isn't a good spot to put a new city will you trade.

That's why there's the push for closing the auctions in the first place. To guarantee that the players in city X get into the Settlers from city X. The thinking being that you get the good tiles that way. Well, there are 3 cities that would be forced to compete for those tiles by building Settlers. Not building Settlers just guarantees you miss out. Why build a Temple or Library to expand borders when you can build a Settler and claim those tiles with another city, bypassing the auctioning completely?

Closing the auctions will force each city to expand on it's own.

	11-07-2004 07:22									#41
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As far as name we had already decided upon Green City.
If we are to change our way of making money pert each session then let us start with Equal Split. If we are to keep with the same one then Equal Price.
The settler should finish its current project as it will be done next turn, then build roads through the tiles we four own, then mines in them, and then start with the other squares.
This is my final word on these.

	11-07-2004 07:40									#42
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"We" had decided on a name how/when?

	11-07-2004 09:43									#43
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Green city kind of unofficially, I'm liking the asylum better myself

	12-07-2004 05:45									#44
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Jonny, they are waiting for our city's orders. If you don't have them up in the "Turn Session 4" thred by 0:00 MST, Monday-Tuesday, I will put them up myself. I will not be relenquishing power afterwards though.

	12-07-2004 09:02									#45
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I'm working on the orders right now.

First, however, I'd like to put forward several proposals concerning the city to be decided on by the populace voting. Vote either yea or nay. Simple majority determines the outcomes of these proposals... as the city leader I reserve the right to break any ties with the city's interest in mind.


PROPOSAL 1. Anti-pillaging law. Passed 4-0
a) The pillaging of any tile improvement within the boundaries of our City is forbidden.
b) If any lord pillages any tile improvement within the boundaries of our City, the armed forces under the control of the city and those under the control of any landowners holding land within our City's boundary shall be obligated to help pillage and destroy the tiles and possessions of the offending player.
c) If our City leader pillages a tile within our City's radius, he/she shall be forced to immediately resign from his office, in addition to sufferring the punishment in section (b).

Votes For
Jonny
TORARADICAL
Aeson
Makahlua

Votes Against


PROPOSAL 2. Implementation of Aeson's Resource Pricing idea. Passed 3-1
a) To determine the market price of the goods sold in our city, we will use Aeson's Resource Pricing proposal (described earlier in this thread and at http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=118566), under which each landholder in our City has one vote on how to split the city's funds between food, shields, and commerce.
b) Even if a landholder has multiple tiles within our city, he/she still only recieves one vote.
c) This system would replace the Equal Split/Equal Price voting system.
d) Votes would be privately sent (via PM) to the City Leader, but revealed upon the announcement of the prices, to prevent the city leader from changing the numbers to benefit him/herself.
e) A new vote is held before every new market session.

Votes For
Jonny
Aeson
Makahlua

Votes Against
TORARADICAL

PROPOSAL 3. Renaming of city. Passed 3-1
a) The name of our city shall be changed to The Asylum, as several landholders have expressed interest in this name for our city.

Votes For
Jonny
Aeson
Makahlua

Votes Against
TORARADICAL

...


I voted yes for all three proposals.

Last edited by Jonny on 15-07-2004 at 02:17

	12-07-2004 11:48									#46
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quote: I'm working on the orders right now.

Good to hear.
Proposal 1--Yes.
Proposal 2--No, Equal Price.
Proposal 3--No, Green City.

	12-07-2004 20:54									#47
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I vote for all 3 proposals.

2d should be taken care of within the first few sessions as we can automate it.

2b I'm not set on either way, and wouldn't mind if it was a weighted vote towards those with more tiles. I would suggest we add a clause to 2 for if votes were missed. Then we would use the last known vote (my preference as we only need to vote if/when someone wants to change), only go with who is voting, or equal split/price.

	12-07-2004 21:08									#48
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As for our build orders, I don't think we'll be growing fast enough to need a second Worker. (I'll hold off on demanding my tile be improved.. as all it will do is eat up Worker turns)

We'd probably be better off going directly towards a Settler after the Warrior, or work out some deal with B and/or R cities to get in their Settlers and focus on military. We get to keep the initial 8 tiles from any captured cities along with captured Workers once we get Javs, and so a military camp could do quite well as long as we figure out some way to get into Settlers from the other cities. By not building Workers/Settlers ourselves, our pop can stay higher, offsetting the pop growth advantage the other cities have on us, and allowing us to be splitting more money (+100 per pop).

	13-07-2004 03:03									#49
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Workers and a Temple will allow us to gorw and expand our own city. We could then buy the other squares of our city, making sure we retain control. I have some more plans, but do not wish for them to be public. Please come to the private forum at Noit so that I can share them.

	13-07-2004 03:37									#50
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I've registered there. Same name as here.

	13-07-2004 05:06									#51
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Sounds good. Your masks have been updated and the forum should be visible in DGame Land.

	14-07-2004 17:13									#52
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Anyone seen Makahlua lately? Only one not to vote, or join the private forum.

	14-07-2004 19:57									#53
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All the other cities have got their pricing down, do you want to go with the leader (Aeson's Resource Pricing idea) cause that's the only thing holding up starting the trading session.

	14-07-2004 20:26									#54
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If we get 72 hours on the trading session I wouldn't be adverse to starting it before we have pricing set. Give Makahula a little more time to weigh in.

Once an automated system is in place, voting on price probably should be part of the 72 hours anyways.

	14-07-2004 21:26									#55
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Yes to asylum, yes to arsekicking pillagers ^^

*thinks* Yes to Aeson's proposal. I like the idea that no matter how much we own we're all equal in votes

Sorry I finally borrowed System Shock 2 froma pal and can't put it down....creepy game I shall return shortly - french toast calling me!

	14-07-2004 21:38									#56
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Well in that case give me 100% food.
I will rename our private forum. Can we get this thread renamed The Asylum?

	14-07-2004 22:16									#57
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To help with price voting:

Jonny has 1/3 of the food, 1/3 of the shields.
Makahlua has 1/3 of the food, 1/2 of the commerce.
TORARADICAL has 1/3 of the food, 1/3 of the shields, 1/2 of the commerce.
Aeson has 1/3 of the shields.

Each of our votes represents $25, and you (probably) get the portion of that which is represented by your split of the goods in that category. 1/3 will be worth $8.33, 1/2 will be worth $12.50.

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So I would be willing to sell my vote for 100% Commerce instead of 100% Shields, worth $12.50 to M and $4.17 to T (because 12.50 - 8.33), if between M and T they will give me $12.50 (even split being $10.42 from M and 2.08 from T). That way both M and T would profit $2.08 from my vote... and I would be getting $12.50 overall + whatever I could get from selling my shield.

	15-07-2004 08:40									#58
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We really need to get this started, it was supposed to start Monday and we need a decision on how Green City is going to divide its money.

I plan on starting the trading session tomorrow morning.

	15-07-2004 09:27									#59
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Well, TORA has said 100% food. I'll go ahead and vote for 50% food and 50% shields. So all we need is for Aeson and Mak to vote...

Price Voting
TORARADICAL - 100 Food/0 Production/0 Commerce
Jonny - 50 Food/50 Production/0 Commerce
Aeson - ?
Makahlua - ?

2 votes pending.

...

I don't see why the 72 hours couldn't go ahead and start without the price set - although the other two will probably show up and vote within the next 24 hours in any case.

	17-07-2004 20:17									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny I don't see why the 72 hours couldn't go ahead and start without the price set - although the other two will probably show up and vote within the next 24 hours in any case.

Because we can't calculate any prices without the money divided up. If you keep changing prices during the trading session people will keep changing what they wish to sale due to the money amount altering.

Its just easier and more efficient to have the pricing settled before the Trading Session starts.

Next turn, I assume Green City is going to convert one of its unhappy citizens to a Specialist. What type of Specialist is it going to be?