22-07-2004 23:28									#121
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 albert how much is a canadian dollar? like .5 cents?

Well moving from the states to beautiful BC I have found quite a difference in the way pot is thought of. Here its BC's #1 cash crop, and of course it is the best in the world. Kind bud back in the midwest was getting way too expensive at $300-500/oz. Here it's better and cheaper, I have found it at $140cdn/oz which comes out to about $108us, but everyone here grows it in gardens and greenhouses so if you have a friend you never pay, just smoke it with him.
The idea of taxing it is great, but when government controls drugs there is always some kind of hassles or kickbacks. I say decriminalize it, and if your caught outside your home make it a $20 nussiance fine.

	22-07-2004 23:43									#122
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I just think it is strange, that many people can be upset, that "consumer-warez" are refined the way just as ordinary goods are (this and this are HEALTHY, now with vitamins, less sugar and fat (added some chemical stuff instead))…. etc, in a never-ending-story…..

Deep in my heart, I do believe (and no hint to an old song here), that there really is NO difference between the most powerful/important businessmen, the most powerful/important politicians and the most powerful/important criminals.

The motto is for all: Make as big money as possible – no matter what the price is for the “sheep’s”. Use the religion and moral power if necessary – but do not forget the target. Make biggest possible money.

BTW: I have not “tried” smoking Mary-Jane more than once – some 25 years back. And I am a “non-smoker” and have always been…. but then again, I have no problems when others smoke (except poor cigars…. that is TOO much).

	23-07-2004 03:30									#123
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Prices around here are about 5 a gram for ditch weed, double that for midgrades - decent pot that'll get you high but has seeds still, 20 a gram for kind bud and more than that for specific strains. Of course buying even an eighth can drop those significantly, kind bud drops to about 45 for 3.5 grams, usually around 80-85 for 7 grams, and an ounce shouldn't be bought for more than 300 unless it is the dankest of the dank.

I mean hell, if I pay more than 300 for an ounce, it better get my grandkids high.

Of course the most important thing in terms of drug prices is how many people you know and how well. If you only know one guy with weed and he doesn't really like you, prices could be a lot higher. And friends almost always smoke friends up.

Point is, Albert is right in his own narrow view of the world, and Ming is right in his own general sort of estimate.

	23-07-2004 11:08									#124
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so legalizing weed will have little to no effect in the areas hit hardest by drug use, the urban areas, as here, dealers will always be able to win a price war with taxed weed. weed will be notably cheaper and easier to obtain in the suburbs and what not though...

aye... there's the true reason for drug legalization... it's not about a better alternative than the war on drugs in the ghetto... it's about the ghetto staying a shithole but white people can get their drugs cheaper... and all without funneling money into the hands of the ghetto dealers. instead, the money will go to corporations...

really, why is it that every liberal idea has the taint of racism?

	23-07-2004 11:17									#125
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JCC's only paying about $40-50US for a quarter. That's about what I paid twelve years ago. Hell, in the summer of 1990, weed was going for $90 a quarter, and that was ditch weed. Supply and demand.

	23-07-2004 11:24									#126
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you're right, chegitz, prices do fluctuate, even by season or by block... and then you add in the whole complicated factor of the quality and it becomes real hard to determine a typical price, hence why i didn't give any local numbers. assuming jimmy gets average ****, he's still paying a bit more than he should be, but he seems to consider it a great deal...

	23-07-2004 11:28									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer so legalizing weed will have little to no effect in the areas hit hardest by drug use, the urban areas, as here, dealers will always be able to win a price war with taxed weed. weed will be notably cheaper and easier to obtain in the suburbs and what not though... aye... there's the true reason for drug legalization... it's not about a better alternative than the war on drugs in the ghetto... it's about the ghetto staying a shithole but white people can get their drugs cheaper... and all without funneling money into the hands of the ghetto dealers. instead, the money will go to corporations... really, why is it that every liberal idea has the taint of racism?

Oh, please, Albert. As I said earlier, drugs are expensive BECAUSE they're illegal. Illegal = dangerous to provide = fewer providers = high prices. Yes, it really is nearly that simple.

Legalize pot and the price would drop through the floor as supppliers, including corporate suppliers, flooded the market. Why do you think the tobacco companies have already trademarked names like "Acapulco Gold?"

What's hugely racist is the drug laws we have now. About half of all prisoners in American jails are there for drug violations, I think, and a hugely disproportionate fraction of those are black and Hispanic. Drug laws are responsible for determining the outcome of the last presidential election, as thousands and thousands of potential black voters were disenfranchised -- the legal way, not the illegal Florida way -- simply because they were drug criminals. Here's one of the most dramatically racist situations in the country, and you're reading it exactly backwards.

	23-07-2004 11:37									#128
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alright how about i throw in a figure... i dont smoke weed as yall know but i contend i can get 2-3 grams easily (i'm friends with dealers) for a dime. now, it'll likely be seeded a bit much, more so than legalized weed but in all seriousness, can a corporation, seeking a profit, and with high taxes, be able to compete with 2-3 grams for ten dollars? i'm really really doubting it...

so you're entire point is moot. legalization will NOT lower the price as the legal price will be taxed heavily and weed is still something that can be grown at home with relative ease so it's easy and cheap to produce.

	23-07-2004 11:43									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer can a corporation, seeking a profit, and with high taxes, be able to compete with 2-3 grams for ten dollars? i'm really really doubting it.

Easily. You forget that with legalization comes the legalization of production as well. Marijuna production would explode. Right now they have to grow it in out of the way places, without all the scales of efficieny that modern farming can grant. Once farmers are using tractors, and spraying pesticides from the air, the price will collapse in the pot market.

A pack of joints will probably cost no more than a pack of cigs.

	23-07-2004 11:45									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer alright how about i throw in a figure... i dont smoke weed as yall know but i contend i can get 2-3 grams easily (i'm friends with dealers) for a dime. now, it'll likely be seeded a bit much, more so than legalized weed but in all seriousness, can a corporation, seeking a profit, and with high taxes, be able to compete with 2-3 grams for ten dollars? i'm really really doubting it... so you're entire point is moot. legalization will NOT lower the price as the legal price will be taxed heavily and weed is still something that can be grown at home with relative ease so it's easy and cheap to produce.

Previously I had not thought you a fool, Albert, but really....

Growing pot is not so different from growing tobacco. How much does corporate tobacco cost, even with taxes representing a large fraction of the price? Why would corporate pot have to be priced much higher than that?

	23-07-2004 11:48									#131
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considering how the tobacco industry has been over the decades, i'm surprised yall are so willing to trust them with producing what is a more hazardous product.

	23-07-2004 12:12									#132
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That has nothing to do with whether the price would or wouldn't drop.

	23-07-2004 12:16									#133
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youre right it doesnt... its another point...

	23-07-2004 12:18									#134
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quote: A pack of joints will probably cost no more than a pack of cigs.

Exactly, pot grows like, well, weeds. If it wasn't for drug laws there'd be no reason for a pack of joints to cost more than a pack of cigs.

	23-07-2004 12:19									#135
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Given that I trust my health to corporations every day, mulitple times a day, I don't see how this would be much different. It's not like it's all that easy to opt out of the system. Granted, I don't need to injest weed, so that's taking an additional risk, but if it's legal, I could start growing my own.

I could also grow my own food, build my own house, brew my own beer, etc. Some people do. I'm not one of them.

	23-07-2004 12:37									#136
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quote: Originally posted by debeest Previously I had not thought you a fool, Albert, but really.... Growing pot is not so different from growing tobacco. How much does corporate tobacco cost, even with taxes representing a large fraction of the price? Why would corporate pot have to be priced much higher than that?

Yea one could produce copious quantities of marijuana very cheaply. But growing good marijuana is much more labor intensive than growing tobacco. And growing it in fields like corn is not an answer, as you don't want it to pollinate. I'm sure that kind bud grown legally would cost a fraction of the price it commands while illegal, but it requires more labor per unit than almost any legal agricultural product I can think of.

	23-07-2004 12:51									#137
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I'll bet in very short order, scientists would figure out how to produce sterile females for planting.

	23-07-2004 13:34									#138
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quote: considering how the tobacco industry has been over the decades, i'm surprised yall are so willing to trust them with producing what is a more hazardous product.

More hazardous? The graveyards aren't full of pot smokers... About 400,000 a year lost to tobacco, a handfull if that lost to pot...

	23-07-2004 13:39									#139
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yes but if weed was so mass produced as yall claim then we'd have pack a day weed smokers... and we already established weed is more dangerous for your lungs than tobacco.

	23-07-2004 19:11									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer yes but if weed was so mass produced as yall claim then we'd have pack a day weed smokers... and we already established weed is more dangerous for your lungs than tobacco.

this has not been proven.

Although doctors suspect this should be the case, they have yet to find a case of lung cancer attributed to pot smoking. Not a single case!

And there has not been a single death in this country attributed to pot smoking! with the possible exception of driving under the influence.

	24-07-2004 00:04									#141
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and thats with a joint a day smokers? bring in a pack a day smokers which supposedly will be common once weed is mass produced...

	24-07-2004 00:04									#142
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why would this be commonplace?

	24-07-2004 00:06									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander I'm sure that kind bud grown legally would cost a fraction of the price it commands while illegal....

That's my point. The rest may be true, but doesn't matter much.

You seem to know a little bit more about pot farming than I would have expected, Sikander.

	24-07-2004 00:07									#144
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diss:

because weed will now, supposedly, be mass produced and cheap...

	24-07-2004 05:08									#145
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Salt is cheap, too. But I know when I've had enough Fritos for one day. Do you think if joints were fifty cents apiece, lots of people would be firing up 20 or 40 a day?

	24-07-2004 05:11									#146
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debeest...

during rome's empire, salt (and pepper) were quite expensive and was the occasional seasoning for the wealthy. now, it's on every meal...

	24-07-2004 05:33									#147
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"average levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, rose steadily from 3.5 percent in 1988 to more than 7 percent in 2003"

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	24-07-2004 05:37									#148
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quote: yes but if weed was so mass produced as yall claim then we'd have pack a day weed smokers...

Why? Weed isn't physically addictive.

	24-07-2004 05:40									#149
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what the hell? you really think if weed was as cheap as yall claim we wouldnt have pack a day smokers?

there is much truth in how increasing the supply and decreasing the price will increase the demand. companies do it all the time.

	24-07-2004 05:43									#150
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That's inane logic.

Air is free; that doesn't mean that there are hordes of people who pump air into their bodies to the point of impairing their health.