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Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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Have there ever been ties of over two people in the past? If so, how have they been solved? Write down a number from 1 to 3, load it up in a password protected zip file, and the one to call the number is the unlucky loser?

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That iswas the way I, le Roi, beat the other loser.

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Too much work, too slow a response time. Just assign everybody a number from 1 to n, then do a Google search on the next topic title to be posted in the OT. Then take the number of results returned modulo n to determine who dies. That's darn near random, and easily checked for fairness.

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Kass look at ADG's vote, its a 3 way tie.

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or perhaps one of those online who have not yet voted (Boshko for instance) could be persuaded to vote (maybe the mafia could "persuade" them )

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Adagio has voted? Must have missed that. Thanks for pointing that out.

Okay, so it's a three way tie between Whoha, Joncha and Adagio, all at three votes. Seven votes have not been cast yet, so no one's safe.

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Too much work, too slow a response time. Just assign everybody a number from 1 to n, then do a Google search on the next topic title to be posted in the OT. Then take the number of results returned modulo n to determine who dies. That's darn near random, and easily checked for fairness.


Lost you on "modulo". It would vastly improve response time though. Whatever that means.

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I agree with Kass, though I'm interested in figuring the rest of it out, it does sound like a decent random number generator.

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I'd just roll an n-sided dice. Assigning people numbers before rolling, of course.

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Also good... I know I have plenty of those.

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I'm sure you know modulo, although probably in Finnish. All modulo arithmatic is, is normal arithmatic that "loops." You can think of it as dividing by the number, and then taking the remainder. You can also imagine it as taking the number line as some really long ruler, chopping it off at n, and then bending it so that n connected to the beginning. That way, when you keep on adding 1 to some number, after it hits n, it "loops" back to 0.

As an example-

code:
Normal Mod 3 Mod 4 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 0 3 4 1 0 5 2 1 6 0 2 7 1 3 8 2 0 9 0 1


So, basically, you can take any number and turn it into a number from 1 to n (or 0 to n-1, as I've done above).

Example:
Adagio is 1
Whoha is 2
Joncha is 3

The next topic in the Apolyton OT is "Dinosaur Vampires: Did they have Rabies?" Goo
gling it gives 59 matches
. 59/3= 19.666, or in other words, 19 with a remainder of 2. So Whoha would die. If there had been 60 matches, you can clearly see that's exactly divisible by 3, so it would give a modulo result of 3 or 0, meaning Joncha would die.

Since Google doesn't update THAT often, it's easily checked to see it really was a random number generated by searching on the string yourself (unless, of course, the poster was Kassipoeia.). If you want to be paranoid, then Kass can post which personality is which number in a sealed ZIP file, so no one can influence it by posting a topic themselves.

Skanky: The problem with n-sided dice is that Kass could be evil and roll the dice until he came up with the solution he wanted.

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Yeah, I must not have any affect whatsoever on the result. That's why we've used passworded zips.

I get the concept of modulo, but I have no idea what it's called in Finnish. In fact, a brief googling would show that it's called exactly the same in Finnish. For the record, I'm studying "short" math, i.e. the least possible amount of math on my level of study.

In any case, I'll give it a try if we end up with a >2-way tie.

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Well, going further, he could just say what number he rolled and pick the solution he wanted. I guess verifiable results are good for the game, though.

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Regardless which method of selection is used, how long do we give the remaining people to cast their votes before the next round?

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Roughly twelve hours' worth of voting time left. Not enough time for a write-up before the bed beckons.

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Ok, nobody post "Dinosaur Vampires: Did they have Rabies?"

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* Sparrowhawk hopes that one of Ljube-Ljcvetko, Method, Dr. Spike, Loinburger, Alva or Boshko break the tie so that none of the above solutions are necessary

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But he only has two votes now.

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One hour left as of now.

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Whoha is dead unless someone votes within an hour.

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yea I'm boned.

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Chapter II

July 30th 2004

Well, the personas decided to expel the Norse god Thor. I am rather disappointed because he was one of the few personas I actually liked. No wonder, being the god of all things cool.

The Captain Kirk persona is now gone. I am extremely relieved, because the way he spoke in was most irritating. Now he and Picard won't be arguing for hours about Starfleet regulations either.

The personas are in panic now though. A huge storm inside my head. I did not lose consciousness last night like I did with Darth Vader, so that means that there's probably a second force at work here - but with what manner, that I can not discern. Not that I can complain, I can almost feel a ring around my head loosening up as they disappear.


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Name Position Status
1. Skanky Burns Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Starfleet Still around
2. Theben Captain James T. Kirk, Starfleet Disappeared - R2
3. Adagio Napoleon Bonaparte Still around
4. Chaunk Winston Churchill Still around
5. duke o' york Albert Einstein Still around
6. Ljube-ljcvetko Gaius Julius Caesar Still around
7. gjramsey Colonel Jack O'Neill, USAF Still around
8. DrSpike Doctor Who (#4) Still around
9. Spaced Cowboy Sigmund Freud Still around
10. loinburger Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon Still around
11. rah Ra, Egyptian god of the sun Still around
12. Whoha Thor, Norse god of thunder (and coolness) Expelled - R1
13. alva Thor, Supreme Commander of the Asgard fleet Still around
14. Jonny Dirk Gently, holistic detective Still around
15. Jon Miller Henry VIII Still around
16. Method William Shakespeare Still around
17. Gamecube64 Captain John Sheridan, Earthforce Still around
18. Nuclear Master Apophis, Egyptian god of the night Still around
19. Kuciwalker Darth Vader Vanished - R1
20. SnowFire Kosh Naranek Still around
21. Sparrowhawk Angus MacGyver Still around
22. joncha Sir Isaac Newton Still around
23. Boshko Admiral Horatio Nelson Still around
24. FlameFlash Markos Giannopoulos Still around



I just this. So easy and free-form to write. You don't even have to write dialogue! How cool is that.

Btw, the table looks like an ass. Any ideas on how to fix it?

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Could you bold the names of the victims in your write-up? It makes life so much easier for those of us with short attention spans.

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You could always check the table. Oh well, done.

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I thought the "huge storm inside my head" was a clue, but we already killed off the god of thunder. I guess it's just a madness thing... maybe spaced cowboy knows something about that.

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Avenge my death!

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While I cannot find fault with the logic of Newton, I think it may help us in the future to keep an expert in Psychology around to sort out this mess (though in a pinch, I could fill in...just give me a toothpick and a scrap of cloth, I'll make it work).

I believe that the "Ring around my head" can only be in reference to the grass crown of Gaius Julius Caesar (aka Ljube-ljcvetko).

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Ring around my head sounds more like a sun reference... I'm just picturing all the 'holy' bright lights around the head of somebody in some religious pictures, and Rah being the sun-god and all has two strikes against him in that regard.

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rah sounds like a plausible explanation...

 
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