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Wiglaf
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Dec 2000
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How one chooses to use that, or even if they choose not at all, is like choosing whether or not to eat shellfish or coconuts for dinner on your desert island. |
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But it's not required from everyone. Unless you want to have some national board the forces every guy to get some girl pregnant at 21? |
If gays are born gay, then they are victims of a deviant gene or two. If men having sex with women is just an uninspired choice, then I'll buy you a new hat, but you will never see that hat.
Deviant genes should be treated, quarantined, etc. etc. But we need to first admit the problem and then tackle it head on. Otherwise we will never cure it! 
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I don't care what they do. They do not have the Deviant gene.
And whoever says the term "homosexual love" is barking up my tree. There is no such thing as "homosexual love." There is "homosexual pride infatuations," there is "homosexual attractions." Love is between men and women because dammit, their sex WINK WINK produces something.
NO MY TOASTER DOESN'T MAKE BABIES. But if we can't distinguish my toaster ,or my dinner selection, from my relationships, then we are LOST and must be evacuated immediately.
My GOD
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deviant
adj, Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society.
n, One that differs from a norm, especially a person whose behavior and attitudes differ from accepted social standards.
characterized by deviation (as from a standard of conduct)
We see here that "deviation" requires some other subjective frame of reference from which to say that something deviates from it. It is relative, you are not making an objective argument of deviation, and since we are all different individuals you will fail to do so in any case.
As for genetics, I would hold that since homosexuality is present in other mammal species, it has not been evolved out over thousands of mammal generations, plenty of time to do so and it is the sort of thing that would be evolved out relatively quickly were it useless or malignant.
You misunderstand what I mean by context. The situation you describe is very different to todays world of 6.3 billion people and in BOTH cases, sex is not a biological necessity in order to survive and for reasons, some differing, some the same, homosexuality is not out of the question. I'd like my new hat please  .
Again with your eugenics you are saying effectively with your imposed subjectivism "your gene is inferior to mine and thus be eliminated because it is different". Of course you'll disagree specifically since it makes you sound bad but you cannot make an objective argument for that to be the case.
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I don't care what they do. They do not have the Deviant gene.
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Ignoring your preceding logic which is about as watertight as a sieve, what about a genetic disorder that prevents one or both people in a hetero marriage from being fertile? How long will this take before you come out and admit that your views are based upon a fear of anal penetration? I doubt you have the same fervour regarding lesbian couples  .
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And whoever says the term "homosexual love" is barking up my tree. There is no such thing as "homosexual love." There is "homosexual pride infatuations," there is "homosexual attractions." Love is between men and women because dammit, their sex WINK WINK produces something.
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Ok now you're talking out of your arse. Who the hell are you to tell people why, how and with whom they should fall in love?
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NO MY TOASTER DOESN'T MAKE BABIES. But if we can't distinguish my toaster ,or my dinner selection, from my relationships, then we are LOST and must be evacuated immediately.
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Don't you think there is a little difference between a consenting, conscious adult with free will and an inanimate object?
You sound like you need him . Ignore the movies, Vaseline and spit doesn't work.
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
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All killing is forceful. Forceful killing is an oxymoron.
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No. According to your logic peaceful killing would be an oxymoron (a self-contradictory phrase) but your logic ignores consentual killing, for example voluntary euthanasia. So where voluntary euthanasia or suicide (forceful is traditionally used to mean against the will of the beholder) is killing, as in, to kill, it is not murder, which is forceful killing.
The term "murder" is already useless as a means to say some form of killing is objectively bad. The logic of murder applies to all forceful killing which begs the question of whether all murder is wrong, which is another story. Now we can spam this thread, or you can set up a thread in the tomorrow (it's 03.30am here) where we can debate this properly, otherwise continue this through PM no? I doubt it would serve any purpose, we'll just be skirting through our assumptions. You reasoning is fine, you're assumptions aren't from my perspective. From your perspective I assume my reasoning appears solid but my premises do not, but if you do with to debate them I will join you, after sleep .
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14-08-2004 06:09
. However you wish to use your household appliances to satisfy some insecurity or closet homosexuality that's more on display here that you'd care to admit (though we'd be quite happy to point out) is your own business 
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murder is illegal killing, not a moral term.
I meant redundancy
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