30-08-2004 00:05									#301
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus The white-on-red cross means the defenders are either Danish or the Knights Hospitallers and since the Danish to the best of my knowledge never fought Arabs/Turks, it's probably the Knights Since they're using guns, it's probably post-Cyprus. Siege of Malta?

Correct. Another victory for the christians.

	30-08-2004 00:13									#302
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Okay, my turn. This one shouldn't be too hard:

(Sorry, the image quality is a bit poor, it's the best one I could find)

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	30-08-2004 00:15									#303
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No, it's not your turn since it was SpenceH's turn, and no one has gotten his guy yet. Grobby went outta turn.

So get Hannibal and his Cathegenians outta here.

	30-08-2004 00:16									#304
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Hannibal?

Edit: doh!

	30-08-2004 00:18									#305
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Sorry, it's not like I read the whole thread (who ever does?).

And your guess is wrong. That would've been too easy

	30-08-2004 00:19									#306
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It should be the persian wars but I really can't tell which battle it is. looks like the greek Hoplites are losing. Battle of Thermopylae?

	30-08-2004 00:19									#307
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Well crap, I thought thems be Greeks when I first saw.

Greeks and Persia?

Edit: Good grief, I need to post faster.

	30-08-2004 00:20									#308
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Well then I would say Alexander in India.

Yeah, given how the horse stands out, that's gotta be Bucephalus.

	30-08-2004 00:21									#309
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Che's getting awfully hot. But I'd like the name of the battle (shouldn't be hard now )

	30-08-2004 00:24									#310
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Hydaspes?

	30-08-2004 00:24									#311
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I don't know the name of the battle, but it was against the Indian ruler Porus at the river Hydaspes. Alexander won despite this being the first time they encountered elephants.

Historical note: this is where Alexander's Horse met his end.

	30-08-2004 00:25									#312
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persians had elephants didn't they?

	30-08-2004 00:26									#313
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Not according to the histories.

	30-08-2004 00:27									#314
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In the medieval ages they did. Not sure about ancient times.

	30-08-2004 00:30									#315
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Grobnok,

No, they didn't, not at the time of Alexander anyway. See che's post: the Greeks encountered elephants for the first time here; after that elephants as war units spread throughout much of the wider Mediterranean (including, most famously, Carthage )

quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I don't know the name of the battle, but it was against the Indian ruler Porus at the river Hydaspes. Alexander won despite this being the first time they encountered elephants.

Hydaspes was also the name of the battle, so I'll count that You definitely know what I was referring to.

Yup, Bucephalus did indeed meet his end there...

	30-08-2004 00:32									#316
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Well, considering the Carthegenians were using them soon after (African elephants are to aggressive to be used by humans, so they had to be imported Indian elephants) I think it likely that after the fall of Alexander's empire, the sucsessor states used them.

Anyway, we still have to figure out Spence's pic.

	30-08-2004 00:34									#317
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I'm thinking, he was the commander of the unit that built and destroyed the bridge at the River Kwai.

	30-08-2004 00:36									#318
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Grobnok, No, they didn't, not at the time of Alexander anyway.

I said medieval The mongols defeated them in their conquest.

	30-08-2004 00:37									#319
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Which would be beyond the scope of the painting.

	30-08-2004 00:54									#320
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Well, considering the Carthegenians were using them soon after (African elephants are to aggressive to be used by humans, so they had to be imported Indian elephants) I think it likely that after the fall of Alexander's empire, the sucsessor states used them.

Indeed. Even Alexander himself used elephants once or twice after Hydaspes, and after his death all his successors did indeed employ them as well. The Romans were actually first introduced to elephants by Pyrrhus around 280 BCE.

	30-08-2004 00:55									#321
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Fighting elephants sux.

	30-08-2004 01:16									#322
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH He is british. The photos could have been taken in India.

Orde Wingate- leader/creator of the Chindits, I think.

Given his varied career, you could have pictures from Ethiopia, Palestine or Burma.

Che- there were more than one variety of African elephant. The Egyptians (pre-Ptolemies) imported them from Ethiopia for their exoticism and display, but the Ptolemies used African elephants in battle against the Seleucids, who used Asiatic elephants.


Hannibal's elephants were indeed African, of a variety that became, ah, used up.

The North African variety were once so plentiful that their tusks were used as fenceposts in Morocco. These elephants were trained in Carthage prior to Hannibal's journey across the Alps.

	30-08-2004 01:19									#323
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Rest assured, I am desparately trying to find a zerg rush picture for this thread.

	30-08-2004 01:56									#324
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Orde Wingate- leader/creator of the Chindits, I think.

Correct.

	30-08-2004 02:38									#325
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm thinking, he was the commander of the unit that built and destroyed the bridge at the River Kwai.

No, but your heading in the right direction. He was also famous for his unorthodox activities in Palestine and the Sudan. Strangely he is buried at Arlington.

	30-08-2004 02:42									#326
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Orde Wingate- leader/creator of the Chindits, I think. Given his varied career, you could have pictures from Ethiopia, Palestine or Burma.

Correct, Orde Wingate, probably the most brilliant leader of large special force units in WWII.

I doubt that the pictures were from Palestine or the Sudan (looks like a brigadier rank in one and the ozzy in the other).

	30-08-2004 02:42									#327
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Can't wait to see what Molly comes up with.

	30-08-2004 02:47									#328
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Can't wait to see what Molly comes up with.

Yeah. I knew the answer, but I wanted Molly to come up with something.

	30-08-2004 02:51									#329
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I think I scored a goal there SpenceH.


He was an ardent Zionist too, because of his fundamentalist Protestant beliefs, and is also a hero to the nation of Israel, as well as to Ethiopia.


Unfortunately his reputation suffered an unwarranted decline in the post-war period thanks to his successor in the Chindits who lacked his ability, and hostile biographers who failed to appreciate the genius of Wingate. Like many great unorthodox mavericks he lacked the everyday social graces that might have smoothed his path through the thickets of the intrigues in British headquarters in India.


Anyway- name the woman, the emperor most associated with her, and with whom she came into conflict, and the name of the 'crisis' associated with her.


She has been named the model of a mediaeval general.

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	30-08-2004 02:57									#330
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Matildia of tuscany
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