18-09-2004 16:03									#391
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destroyed

Last edited by GeoModder on 19-09-2004 at 00:20

	18-09-2004 17:00									#392
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That's what I had in mind yeah. Maybe best not to try to change it mid game, but something to think about for future games.

	18-09-2004 17:00									#393
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Captured bases can't build as they are damaged bases - the industrial equipment can't even make 5BP worth of production each turn - why would they be well equipped enough to manufacture military shippage? With enough bases, you are soon to build more bases that can build ships though. A 1-turn penalty of no new shipping when you lose most of your empire doesn't seem so harsh.

	18-09-2004 17:19									#394
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Well I'm not getting into realism arguments as they are all completely beside the point.

The bases provide BP but no way to use them to build ships. For balance reasons they provide some BP, but not as much as built bases. Similarly it makes sense for the build limits to be treated this way.

The base limits are quite arbitrary anyway as the ship costs the same BP no matter how many bases you have. Again, their rationale is to provide balance between building/conquering. Such an aim is furthered by having the captured bases count, just not as much as the built bases.

Anyway we can vote on this after the game maybe.

	18-09-2004 17:25									#395
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I'm just repeating Jam's rationalisation from when the rule was first made.

From a gameplay point of view I think it is fine as well. If you lose all your built bases, that should come with a heavy price. Hell, I didn't even complain when it happened to me in previous games.

	18-09-2004 17:33									#396
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Well it's subjective, and that's why we should vote on it. Atfer the game though, so I wont look like I am just trying to be able to use my nice BP.

	18-09-2004 18:23									#397
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I have everyone but Doc's orders....I might be able to do this without the files, depending on his.

	18-09-2004 19:33									#398
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Sent.

	18-09-2004 20:15									#399
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Captured bases can't build as they are damaged bases - the industrial equipment can't even make 5BP worth of production each turn - why would they be well equipped enough to manufacture military shippage? With enough bases, you are soon to build more bases that can build ships though. A 1-turn penalty of no new shipping when you lose most of your empire doesn't seem so harsh.

Not even that, considering that if you have more than 8 bases, you can build new ships that turn.

	18-09-2004 20:17									#400
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You have to start the turn with a base to be able to build ships.

	18-09-2004 20:31									#401
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Skanky...need help on your orders.

	18-09-2004 20:33									#402
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Working on it now, give us a second... and done.

	18-09-2004 20:51									#403
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Turn 12: "WTF did I do to you?" said Skanky"

Cut to the chase. All three overlords sent their entire fleet at Skanky Burns making his prospects for survival very remote. However, Kassiopeia was unable to get out of his system due to a spy from Skanky himself, and Joncha found a spy from DrSpike disrupting his communication grid. So we are down to a showdown between DrSpike and Skanky Burns for control of Skanky's bases.

DrSpike: 3LD 2FD 3TD 15LT 14FT 30TT: TLF-TLF: normal and normal.
Skanky Burns: 1LD 12LT 12FT 8TT: FFT-TLL: Close in and normal

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Raw Data (Round 1)
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DrSpike         Skanky Burns
162T                060F
087L                060F
078F                040T  
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Adjusted Data (Round 1)
162T                120F      Skanky Burns takes 42 hits.
348L                060F      Skanky Burns takes 288 hits.
154F                040T      Skanky Burns takes 114 hits.
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Skanky is toast and DrSpike takes over his bases.

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	18-09-2004 21:12									#404
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So DrSpike getting back his former bases doesn't make them "self built" but they are still captured bases because Skanky had them for a turn?

* Sparrowhawk (still trying to grasp this game...which seems much more complex then society to me)

	18-09-2004 21:14									#405
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Once the bases see war, they are captured bases, even if you get your own back. To hard for the GM to keep track of.

Actually, this one is easier than society in my book.

	18-09-2004 21:14									#406
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Yeah, I damaged them bases good and proper.
* Skanky Burns cries.

	18-09-2004 21:47									#407
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Bugger.

	18-09-2004 22:10									#408
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Hehe.

Btw surely my old built bases should count as built again?

	18-09-2004 22:16									#409
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error

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	18-09-2004 22:18									#410
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Edit: never mind

	18-09-2004 22:18									#411
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Is there precedent for recaptured bases? I thought I'd get them back.

	18-09-2004 22:21									#412
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	18-09-2004 22:33									#413
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Keep the strategy advice please.

I'm interested in whether there is a precedent for this decision, and whether people think it is right that recaptured bases don't yield 5BP (and count towards build limits).

	18-09-2004 22:55									#414
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obliterated

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	19-09-2004 00:08									#415
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No. Lost bases are lost forever.

I think it's a good rule, but we can debate more fully (along the usual OoB, spy use and alliance topics) once this game wraps up.

	19-09-2004 07:55									#416
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Is there precedent for recaptured bases? I thought I'd get them back.

Where have you been the past 3 games?
This has come up several times.

	19-09-2004 13:43									#417
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Don't complain, you own more bases than anyone has ever had in the history of this game.

	19-09-2004 14:09									#418
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Orders sent.

	19-09-2004 14:35									#419
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Don't complain, you own more bases than anyone has ever had in the history of this game.

Just call me greedy.

	19-09-2004 14:42									#420
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We decided re-captured bases counted as captured bases (they've been looted TWICE now) 51 captured bases is still insane though.

-Jam