31-01-2005 04:19									#151
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The technique of folding intelacing layers of steel and iron is what made them so strong.

The smelting techniques were also supperior as well from what i heard because the iron was poor.

This tending to make the older swords exteemly good when attacking, except if they were hit by another sword head on. The poor iron caused the katana's to become very brittle and they would break easily if blocked with the edge, which is why, when they block they always turn the sword, not simply to keep the blade from dulling faster. On its side, it is quite strong and in some ways more deadly as it could crack a skull with a tap.

However, not all the ore was bad in Japan and as time went on with better knowledge metalurgy the swords did become better, and stronger. By the height of the age of Samurai most westerners think about the blades were wouldn't break so easily mostly because the armor they used often started to use metal as well as leather.

	31-01-2005 20:33									#152
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And I recently read in "Guns, Germs and Steel" that African blacksmiths managed to forge steel even centuries before Bessemer furnaces were invented.

	02-02-2005 21:36									#153
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I think that's what Mark meant by

quote: fine details

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	24-07-2005 19:33									#154
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quote: Originally posted by yellowdaddy in the Social Model v3.0 thread What about Economic policy of the government beyond Property Rights? Primitive Civs have to have a religious system, and become more advanced as economic considerations predominate. You can have a range of options: religious collectivism (Communism, Fascism, Islamism...) and planned economies, mixed economies as well as market economies and participatory economies and subsistence economies.

The overall econ approach in ancient times is designed to be somewhere between the two poles of pure market economy and pure traditional economy. Traditional means "I do what my same-sex parent did." For a modern game I might add a third "collectivist" possibility, but it is pretty much already taken care of by private property setting.

Game effects (so far) include:
Market:
o Workers move between sectors of the econ freely, making it more productive
o Technological progress is better (other things being equal)

Traditional:
o More stable politically, since the "everyone has their predetermined place" permeates society

Please respond in the Social thread with further ideas that impact social more than the econ model in general.

	31-07-2005 21:26									#155
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For Ancient Civilised tiles that sounds fine; but it doesn't sound compatible with the idea of "tribal units" - those HGUs (Hunter-Gatherer Units) and SFUs (Subsistence Farmer Units).

I propose that (if you plan to have some kind of economic model for these Tribal Units, that) you insert two lower levels below your basic Ancient Civ level.

[Like an economic tech level league: all civs can rise and fall, and their capacity for storing collective capabilities restricted by their position on it. When a Civ collapses back into a Tribal Unit, it loses amassed tech and economic development: trade routes, markets, currency etc...]

I think the units idea does provide attractive solutions for improving gamespeed by rendering all non-civ occupied tiles as having 0 settled population; and in gameplay by having a category of "semi-unit" that both simulates effectively the behaviour of early and less developed, and/or (semi-)nomadic human populations, and allows you to simulate a range of other small-group human activities: pirates, bandits, gangsters, guerillas.

For post industrial revolution economies hows about this?:
"...The most basic and general economic systems are:

Market economy (the basis for several "right-wing" systems, such as capitalism)
Mixed economy (arguably the "centrist" economic system)
Planned economy (the basis for several "left-wing" systems, such as socialism)
Traditional economy (a generic term for the oldest and traditional economic systems)
Participatory economics (an alternative to capitalism and planned economies) ..."

source

Last edited by yellowdaddy on 31-07-2005 at 22:29