23-11-2004 03:49									#391
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Just so I understand what just happened.....DrSpike sent a spy to Theben?

No.

quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk And somehow Spaced and I didn't attack as an alliance?

You didn't specify you were allied with anyone in the orders you sent me.

quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk And DrSpike matched our OoB perfectly?

Yes.

	23-11-2004 04:05									#392
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* DrSpike literally rolls on the floor laughing.

My girlfriend thinks I have gone mad.

	23-11-2004 04:13									#393
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Now that I look at it... Spike's orders are the most common in the game. And we sent an OoB that fell right into it!

	23-11-2004 04:15									#394
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We sure fell right into it alright.

	23-11-2004 04:34									#395
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By golly, what a turn!

	23-11-2004 04:43									#396
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko Turn 11 - Shape-shifter The solids of the delta quadrant have become weary of the Dominion policies towards them. They fear DrSpike has only one agenda ? to enslave them all. And they were right. For the founders believe the only way order can be achieved is by subjugating all solid people.

I'd like to point out that, unlike the others in game, our remit is a peaceful one. Yes, we shall strike down evil soild intruders, but no attacks have been made by the Dominion. Our patience grows thin with the aggressive solids, however.

	23-11-2004 04:47									#397
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What for the Dominion infiltrators at high level positions within the various solid governments?

That's the Dominion way: Divide et impera.

	23-11-2004 07:01									#398
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There is no stopping Spike now.

	23-11-2004 11:11									#399
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike but no attacks have been made by the Dominion.

I recall an assault on the Vidiians...

	23-11-2004 22:37									#400
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quote: Originally posted by Theben I recall an assault on the Vidiians...

Ok one, but they asked for it.

	24-11-2004 01:43									#401
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Now that I look at it... Spike's orders are the most common in the game. And we sent an OoB that fell right into it!

Especially when one of the members sends then to him. You will pay for your treachery.

Sent!

	24-11-2004 01:46									#402
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Oy vey, I've sent important information to a sworn enemy called DrSpike myself too by accident, but that's besides the point. The point is, a perfect match has happened to me too. It's not that rare, I suppose. Pfft.

	24-11-2004 04:04									#403
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Spaced, you seem upset about something.

	24-11-2004 04:33									#404
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Losing all his ships, probably.

	24-11-2004 05:10									#405
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So upset that he sent illegal orders

	24-11-2004 06:20									#406
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I can't believe I'm being blamed for this fiasco. IIRC, others had access to the OoB, including some not from this site who showed interest in the game. Any of them could've tipped off Spike. After all:

1) I didn't attack Spaced or Sparrow, which you think I would've done if I betrayed you

2) I'm not dumb enough to think that Spike would trust me if I sent him an OoB, and I'm pretty sure he isn't dumb enough to believe me.

3) I'd have to leave a trail of PMs that DrSpike could post to show I betrayed you (of course, he could make something up and post it. Whatever).

Face it, that was a dumb OoB to send and Spike picked THE generic OoB which happened to fit. Remember, I didn't pick the OoB.

	24-11-2004 09:28									#407
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Hmmm...really then why did you not attack with us?

	24-11-2004 09:35									#408
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good question, as even if DrSpike correctly matched our OoB (without assistance ) then if we would have all attacked in unison, I think we could have still won the day (the battle, though not the war). Actually even if you and I had been allowed to attack together it would have resulted in a much closer battle.

However, had Theben sent his ships, it seems that Ljube wouldn't have allowed us to attack as one, so I suppose in the end it didn't much matter what we did, we were both screwed no matter what.

Whether it was by our ally, by the GM or by our OoB is still open for debate.

* Sparrowhawk

	24-11-2004 10:16									#409
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Sent.

	24-11-2004 10:51									#410
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All of the above?

	24-11-2004 11:09									#411
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quote: Originally posted by Atragon All of the above?

Perhaps.

I suppose only Theben, DrSpike and Ljube know for sure.....but I don't expect them to clarify

* Sparrowhawk

	24-11-2004 13:34									#412
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Will discuss at 'other' location.

	24-11-2004 14:15									#413
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Whether it was by our ally, by the GM or by our OoB is still open for debate.

You were certainly not screwed by the GM. I follow the rules when processing orders and I don't ask for clarifications if the orders are legal.

My GMing is impartial and strict, but can be harsh sometimes, I admit it. Perhaps it's time someone else took the honourable high seat. I'll finish the game the way I started it, but then someone else should take over.

	24-11-2004 14:20									#414
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I think he's just venting LL. Understandable under the circumstances.

	24-11-2004 14:22									#415
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Yeah, I doubt anyone's seriously suspecting you of anything. I've been more than happy with your GMing, knowing that the sword cuts both ways (meaning, if my opponent does a similar stupid mistake as I may do, they will suffer from it likewise). I'd consider GMing but GO is just so much more fun when playing.

	24-11-2004 14:24									#416
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Yes, I've enjoyed your GMing and stories, as well as rules clarification for the n00b.

	24-11-2004 19:26									#417
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I have amended the rules to include:

quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko A) All ships of one type first, before moving to the next type, in the same order as the order of battle. Start removing frigates first, titans last.

	24-11-2004 22:01									#418
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THIS is why I love GO. The treachery potential is IMMENSE

-Jam

	24-11-2004 22:36									#419
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko You were certainly not screwed by the GM. I follow the rules when processing orders and I don't ask for clarifications if the orders are legal. My GMing is impartial and strict, but can be harsh sometimes, I admit it. Perhaps it's time someone else took the honourable high seat. I'll finish the game the way I started it, but then someone else should take over.

I tend to agree, I for one, forgot to put that we were to attack in an alliance.

	24-11-2004 23:48									#420
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Yeah, it's unfortunate, but the GM can only process orders as they arrive, not make assumptions. Plus even allied I still would have crushed an SC/Sparrow fleet anyway.

As to the OOB, sometimes people are lucky, I guess.