21-12-2004 03:58									#31
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Lets plan for next tuesday to start. Give's us time to sort out time and any special rules and all.

	21-12-2004 04:36									#32
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Winzity has suggested to me that I play in the game. However I can only play every 2nd week, and would not want to play with a sub on alternate weeks, which would make playing in the game inconvenient. However should it be decided to play on alternate weeks only, I could play starting in 2 weeks time. Mon - Wed ok, maybe Thurs GMT evenings depending on exact time of the game

	21-12-2004 08:00									#33
	I suggest we start another game on every 2nd wednesdays with trev. Tired of ads?

Who are interested in it more than me?

This game is a separat game and don't effect the planned tuesday game.

	23-12-2004 23:59									#34
	The game start is planned to next tuesday Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Which time should we start?

8 PM Germany time (GMT+1) or earlier?

	24-12-2004 00:24									#35
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The players I have so far:

jes
Ljube
Orange
THE DEITY
winzity

We start the tuesday after X-mas. Have a nice X-MAS!

	24-12-2004 00:55									#36
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Excellent. Now a few questions. Which map? How much should the science be slowed? How can we make legion useful?

I suggest Zylka's map or a random map.
I think science should be not 50% slower but 100% slower (i.e. what would normally take 7 turns to research should take 14).
I think no foreign caravans or extremely limited number (8 may be adequate).
About legion, let's dispose of those crusaders and set the stats for legion at 6, 2, 1, pike flagged.
Also, let's move catapults to astronomy or engineering and increase their stats to 7, 1, 1.
Also let's have another tech called plumbing (pottery, construction) which is needed for aqueducts.
Let's change elephants to 3, 2, 2, pike flagged.

To decrease the importance of happiness wonders, let's play emperor level.

	24-12-2004 01:23									#37
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ill see if i can manage that merry christmas

	24-12-2004 04:27									#38
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quote: Originally posted by winzity Which time should we start? 8 PM Germany time (GMT+1) or earlier?

That's 6 am here in Aussie. Can you make it a little later? But count me in.

	24-12-2004 10:23									#39
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Ljube's ideas tailored to not suit me are fine

	24-12-2004 10:24									#40
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Although I would like another map rather than twif. I've got a beauty but maybe too large for this size group...

	24-12-2004 10:30									#41
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What about three city rule to stop civs being eliminated in one turn?

Increased sea movement?

Emperor level but two settler start?

Reduce diplo/spies abilities? Increased cost to 60/100 shields? No city poisoning?

Howies one move? (not 2)

If random, what settings? Wet, warm, 4 bill?

	24-12-2004 10:32									#42
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Tech trading limits? (Eg, to only the techs you find)

	24-12-2004 10:33									#43
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Huts?

	24-12-2004 10:33									#44
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Compulsory one para per week story thread?

	24-12-2004 10:34									#45
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Spam?

	24-12-2004 10:37									#46
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I don't want to get up early and find we discuss rules for an hour. If we need a modpak let's agree on the settings over the weekend, post it and play ON TIME on your German Tuesday... pls

And who is hosting?

	24-12-2004 13:44									#47
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yea, to diskuss rules before starting is important. i have no time left now. so i agree to alle rules you make - although i dont like it very much to change the game.txt with other movements, costs and so on.

merry christmas

	24-12-2004 15:49									#48
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quote: Originally posted by deity What about three city rule to stop civs being eliminated in one turn? Increased sea movement? Emperor level but two settler start? Reduce diplo/spies abilities? Increased cost to 60/100 shields? No city poisoning? Howies one move? (not 2) If random, what settings? Wet, warm, 4 bill?

Three cities a turn sounds realistic and I support the rule. No limit on how many units outside the city one can destroy.

No diplo-guiding.

Increased sea movement is a must to decrease the importance of naval wonders. They are the most important wonders anyway.

Two settlers start of course, regardless of the level. We're playing a scenario after all.

I'd say prevent diplos from stealing techs in addition to their increased cost of 60. Spies with all abilities set at say 120.

Howies should definitely have 1 move. Other than that, they seem fine. Without diplo-guiding it's gonna be hard to use the rail network to really hurt someone.

I think we should allow free tech trading, but increase cost of technology (100% more expensive). It twif A game we have a ridiculous situation where industrial technologies are being researched in 500 AD.

I love huts.
Barbarians on raging. I love them.

The last issue is about wonders. I'd like to see Leo's out of the picture as it is a very powerful and offsetting wonder, both in terms of offence and in terms of defence, well maybe more offsetting in terms of offence. A classic strategy would be mass produce horse, then build Leo's, then research chiv, then leadership and take over the world.

Another thing is expiry and cost of certain wonders. If we're five and a diplo costs 60, then it's ridiculous to have Marco Polo cost 200. It should be twice as much (400). Also Great Library. It's very powerful. Perhaps it should expire sooner (with Theory of Gravity or University).

	26-12-2004 10:43									#49
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quote: Originally posted by orangesaber87 Lets plan for next tuesday to start. Give's us time to sort out time and any special rules and all.

Hey, as game organiser can you bring all this together please


I'll accept whatever rules you finally agree on. I just posted some suggestions. But I want to know that it's all locked down 24 hours ahead of the planned 8pm German Tues night start time. If we need a modpak make sure all the players get it ahead of time. There's nothing worse than turning up on time (even if everyone's on time) and someone saying "I'm getting a path error!"; Or "I didn't know diplos couldn't steal techs!"

	27-12-2004 08:06									#50
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Okay, Lets see about these rules.. They are up for discussion of course.

Emperer Level-2Settler Start
3 Cities Captured per civ a Turn
Increased sea movement 2 (If that works for everyone)
Slow Science %100
10 Foreign Caravans.
Howitzers 1move per turn.

quote: I think we should allow free tech trading, but increase cost of technology (100% more expensive). It twif A game we have a ridiculous situation where industrial technologies are being researched in 500 AD.

(I think that should be fine Ljube.)
No Leonardo's Workshop. Marco Polo 400Shields
Yes Huts.
I prefer a world map of some sort. Thoughts?

How do all those sound everyone? Also, I'm in-experianced in making modpacks and the sort. Can someone else do that?

Also, I'm having trouble figuring out what time i'll be starting. 8PM Germany makes it a 3pm start here?

	27-12-2004 09:42									#51
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Sounds good oranges

GL?

Spies/diplos?

I'll do the rules.txt if you like. A big world map would be nice if we could get a 6th player.

Ljube would make for competent, reliable, organised hosting.

	27-12-2004 09:45									#52
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8pm Germany = 7pm UK Summer time = 6am the next day in Aussie = 3pm USA Eastern (I think)....

	27-12-2004 10:05									#53
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This is a big Earth-style map. It might work with increased sea movement...

Attachment: real3.zip
This has been downloaded 4 time(s).

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	27-12-2004 10:08									#54
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"Real" V.3 by Ian Adkins
and thanks to Christopher Furlonger (agharta)

[February 2001, V2 updated August 2003, v3 updated December 2004]

An attempt to create a scenario as close to reality as possible on an Earth-like planet.
It is played as per the Civ2 manual rules with the following exceptions:

* Game length is extended to 2200AD

* Oracle's life extended to Democ

* Mikes effects curtailed at Electricity

* All ships have increased movement

* Howies 1 movement

* Tech paradigm twice as slow

* Marco Polos costs 400 shields

* Leo nullified

* Diplos cost 60 shields and spies 120 shields

It should be played like a diplo game but planetary conquest IS permitted.....

deity

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	27-12-2004 13:49									#55
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emh, sorry for the question, but waht means: diplo-game? no war?

another: wouldnt it be good to play sim?

	27-12-2004 16:38									#56
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well, i just read the diplo-game-thread, so my question is answerd.

	28-12-2004 07:07									#58
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The game starts 2 PM EST US time (not 3 PM).
Buz 8 PM Germany time = 2 PM US EST time.

But we can delay the start to 9 PM Germany time if all want so deity can sleep one more hour.

	28-12-2004 07:08									#59
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Please check so you have the start time for the game correct. I think you know the US EST time difference to your time!

	28-12-2004 07:11									#60
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I can host if it is wanted. I have a stable ADSL connection. But I take no responsiblities for the mod pack. I suggest deity should do the mod pack.

I want so normal game as possible. I know some changes are needed but please keep them to a minimum.

We really need to get the GW out of the game.
And I think the same for GL and Leo.

What means max 10 foriegn caras?