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But take a guy famous for being a "pretty boy" and turn him into a hideous freak, then you rob him of some of his power over people.




Do you realize how many voters he got by his crappy statments like- "they tried to kill me, but failed, show your sympaty to the victim of failed murder! Vote for me!".

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Who poisoned Yushchenko?

From Jeremy Page in Kiev
Doctors at the Austrian clinic that treated Ukraine’s opposition leader confirm there was a plot to kill him


MEDICAL experts have confirmed that Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine’s opposition leader, was poisoned in an attempt on his life during election campaigning, the doctor who supervised his treatment at an Austrian clinic said yesterday.
Doctors at Vienna’s exclusive Rudolfinerhaus clinic are within days of identifying the substance that left Mr Yushchenko’s face disfigured with cysts and lesions, Nikolai Korpan told The Times in a telephone interview.

Specialists in Britain, the United States and France had helped to establish that it was a biological agent, a chemical agent or, most likely, a rare poison that struck him down in the run-up to the presidential election, he said. Doctors needed to examine Mr Yushchenko again at the clinic in Vienna to confirm their diagnosis but were in no doubt that the substance was administered deliberately, he said.

“This is no longer a question for discussion," Dr Korpan said. “We are now sure that we can confirm which substance caused this illness. He received this substance from other people who had a specific aim."

Asked if the aim had been to kill him, Dr Korpan said: “Yes, of course."

Proof that Mr Yushchenko was deliberately poisoned would be a devastating blow for his rival, the Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovych, as the two candidates prepare for a repeat of a presidential run-off on December 26.

It would raise questions about whether the poisoning was ordered by Mr Yanukovych, his allies, or even the Kremlin, which fears that Mr Yushchenko will take Ukraine out of its sphere of influence by joining Nato and the EU.

Mr Yushchenko had said recently that he would soon reveal proof that his opponents had tried to assassinate him, but a spokeswoman said he had no plans to travel to Vienna.

Mr Yushchenko fell ill on September 6 and was rushed to Rudolfinerhaus four days later with severe abdominal pain and lesions on his face and trunk. His liver, pancreas and intestines were swollen and his digestive tract covered in ulcers, but doctors could not explain the symptoms. Against their advice he went back on the campaign trail after a week, but returned to the clinic two weeks later with back pain.

Again he returned to campaigning, with his face half paralysed and a catheter inserted in his back so that doctors, still baffled, could inject painkillers into his spinal column.

Rudolfinerhaus doctors had previously said that they did not have medical evidence to back up or rule out deliberate poisoning.

Mr Yanukovych’s supporters ridiculed the opposition, saying the illness was probably caused by bad sushi, too much cognac or a severe case of herpes. A parliamentary investigation found no evidence of poisoning.

But Dr Korpan said that toxicologists and other experts at laboratories in Britain, the US and France had since examined Mr Yushchenko’s blood samples and medical records. “We will reveal the results in the near future and confirm the cause of this mysterious illness," he said. “We need to check him again here in Vienna. If we received him today, we could finish the whole investigation in two or three days."

He declined to say exactly what the substance might have been, or where it might have come from. “Maybe it was administered through injection, maybe in water, maybe through eating, but the way to give it to him is very simple. This substance can be given very precisely "to only one person," he said.

John Henry, a prominent British toxicologist, has suggested that Mr Yushchenko’s symptoms were consistent with dioxin poisoning, which causes a severe form of acne called chloracne. Doctors at Rudolfinerhaus did not initially test Mr Yushchenko for dioxin, in part because his skin changes were not as severe as they are now. He also refused a biopsy of his face because he did not want to campaign with stitches. Other doctors have suggested that Mr Yushchenko may have been struck down by a rare illness.

Dr Korpan said that Mr Yushchenko should be able to make a full recovery but needed to get back to the clinic. “We are waiting to check him as soon as possible and then we can say what he needs."

He said Mr Yushchenko was no longer having injections, but was taking a combination of vitamins and medicine to boost his immune system.

The offices of Leonid Kuchma, the outgoing President, and Mr Yanukovych did not comment on Dr Korpan’s disclosure.

But Viktor Pinchuk, Mr Kuchma’s billionaire son-in-law, said in a recent interview he did not believe that there was evidence that Mr Yushchenko was poisoned.

“I believe he is sure it was poisoning. He’s not a liar. But some people from his camp created this provocation against him, his image, the government and the country," he said.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1393172,00.html

The fallout from this should be interesting...

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Hello, are you there? Still think that he was poisoned?


Hello, are you done talking out of your ass? What I said was right, completely and absolutely. Thanks for playing though.

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maybe he wasn't poisoned. Maybe that's a completely different person. They don't look alike.

Or perhaps he poisoned himself to gain sympathy votes and to enrage the populace against the opposing party.

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Doctors at Vienna’s exclusive Rudolfinerhaus clinic are within days of identifying the substance that left Mr Yushchenko’s face disfigured with cysts and lesions, Nikolai Korpan told The Times in a telephone interview.




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Specialists in Britain, the United States and France had helped to establish that it was a biological agent, a chemical agent or, most likely, a rare poison that struck him down in the run-up to the presidential election, he said.


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what's so funny?

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They are so absolutely positive that Yushchenko was poisoned, but have no idea what is causing the disfiguration.

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That means they've found a foreign substance, they just don't know what it is.

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They are so absolutely positive that Yushchenko was poisoned, but have no idea what is causing the disfiguration.


they already know, they aren't releasing the information for a few days though.

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Diss,

Not according to the article.

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That means they've found a foreign substance, they just don't know what it is.


How do they know it's foreign if they don't know what it is?

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It says so right in your quote

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Doctors at Vienna’s exclusive Rudolfinerhaus clinic are within days of identifying the substance that left Mr Yushchenko’s face disfigured with cysts and lesions, Nikolai Korpan told The Times in a telephone interview.

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It says so right in your quote


They has yet to identify "the substance." So how can anybody tell it is foreign if nobody know what it is?

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They probably know enough about it to know it shouldn't be there, and probably that its not a naturally occuring bacteria, but not enough to know exactly what it is.

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They probably know enough about it to know it shouldn't be there, and probably that its not a naturally occuring bacteria, but not enough to know exactly what it is.


Not likely, they don't even know if it's chemical or biological.

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We'll find out in a matter of days

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everyone can see that hes poisoned - i mean look at his face, its completely trashed. how else do you think he got to looking like that? deductive reasoning.

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The local news today said Yushchenko refuses to have his facial tissues analysed. This surely causes suspicion.

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Hello, are you done talking out of your ass? What I said was right, completely and absolutely. Thanks for playing though.


I call this whole article a plain bulls!t. Yushenko just made another move to get more voters. Another old good lie. That's all.

p.s. Who the hell is this Nikolai Korpan (his name sounds pretty Ukranian, for an Austrian, if you ask me) and wht the hell his words (backed by nothing) weight more than words of the cheif of this Austrian hospital and words of Ukranian experts from the office of public presecutor and parliamentary commision?

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everyone can see that hes poisoned - i mean look at his face, its completely trashed. how else do you think he got to looking like that? deductive reasoning.


Sickness.

If he was poisoned, why he still alive and now have support of way more voters than before "poisoning"?deductive reasoning.

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If he was poisoned, why he still alive and now have support of way more voters than before "poisoning"?deductive reasoning.


they messed up the dosage - the wanted enough to kill, but not enough for it to be easily detectable. deductive reasoning.

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they messed up the dosage - the wanted enough to kill, but not enough for it to be easily detectable. deductive reasoning.


Why bother? Kill him outright, then blame the other side.

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Why bother? Kill him outright, then blame the other side.



no one would believe that he got poisoned by his own side.

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So that means it's entirely probable that his own side poisoned him, maybe even with his own consent, and blame it on the other side.

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So you're a fag! BURN HIM!


They burn millions of fags in Britain every year.

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So that means it's entirely probable that his own side poisoned him, maybe even with his own consent, and blame it on the other side.


why mess with fire? they could mess up the dosage and he could end up dying, which isnt what they want.

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BS.
This whole poisoning story is a plain bullsh!t.

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Who poisoned Yushchenko?

From Jeremy Page in Kiev
Doctors at the Austrian clinic that treated Ukraine’s opposition leader confirm there was a plot to kill him


MEDICAL experts have confirmed that Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine’s opposition leader, was poisoned in an attempt on his life during election campaigning, the doctor who supervised his treatment at an Austrian clinic said yesterday.
Doctors at Vienna’s exclusive Rudolfinerhaus clinic are within days of identifying the substance that left Mr Yushchenko’s face disfigured with cysts and lesions, Nikolai Korpan told The Times in a telephone interview.

Specialists in Britain, the United States and France had helped to establish that it was a biological agent, a chemical agent or, most likely, a rare poison that struck him down in the run-up to the presidential election, he said. Doctors needed to examine Mr Yushchenko again at the clinic in Vienna to confirm their diagnosis but were in no doubt that the substance was administered deliberately, he said.

“This is no longer a question for discussion," Dr Korpan said. “We are now sure that we can confirm which substance caused this illness. He received this substance from other people who had a specific aim."

Asked if the aim had been to kill him, Dr Korpan said: “Yes, of course."

Proof that Mr Yushchenko was deliberately poisoned would be a devastating blow for his rival, the Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovych, as the two candidates prepare for a repeat of a presidential run-off on December 26.

It would raise questions about whether the poisoning was ordered by Mr Yanukovych, his allies, or even the Kremlin, which fears that Mr Yushchenko will take Ukraine out of its sphere of influence by joining Nato and the EU.

Mr Yushchenko had said recently that he would soon reveal proof that his opponents had tried to assassinate him, but a spokeswoman said he had no plans to travel to Vienna.

Mr Yushchenko fell ill on September 6 and was rushed to Rudolfinerhaus four days later with severe abdominal pain and lesions on his face and trunk. His liver, pancreas and intestines were swollen and his digestive tract covered in ulcers, but doctors could not explain the symptoms. Against their advice he went back on the campaign trail after a week, but returned to the clinic two weeks later with back pain.

Again he returned to campaigning, with his face half paralysed and a catheter inserted in his back so that doctors, still baffled, could inject painkillers into his spinal column.

Rudolfinerhaus doctors had previously said that they did not have medical evidence to back up or rule out deliberate poisoning.

Mr Yanukovych’s supporters ridiculed the opposition, saying the illness was probably caused by bad sushi, too much cognac or a severe case of herpes. A parliamentary investigation found no evidence of poisoning.

But Dr Korpan said that toxicologists and other experts at laboratories in Britain, the US and France had since examined Mr Yushchenko’s blood samples and medical records. “We will reveal the results in the near future and confirm the cause of this mysterious illness," he said. “We need to check him again here in Vienna. If we received him today, we could finish the whole investigation in two or three days."

He declined to say exactly what the substance might have been, or where it might have come from. “Maybe it was administered through injection, maybe in water, maybe through eating, but the way to give it to him is very simple. This substance can be given very precisely "to only one person," he said.

John Henry, a prominent British toxicologist, has suggested that Mr Yushchenko’s symptoms were consistent with dioxin poisoning, which causes a severe form of acne called chloracne. Doctors at Rudolfinerhaus did not initially test Mr Yushchenko for dioxin, in part because his skin changes were not as severe as they are now. He also refused a biopsy of his face because he did not want to campaign with stitches. Other doctors have suggested that Mr Yushchenko may have been struck down by a rare illness.

Dr Korpan said that Mr Yushchenko should be able to make a full recovery but needed to get back to the clinic. “We are waiting to check him as soon as possible and then we can say what he needs."

He said Mr Yushchenko was no longer having injections, but was taking a combination of vitamins and medicine to boost his immune system.

The offices of Leonid Kuchma, the outgoing President, and Mr Yanukovych did not comment on Dr Korpan’s disclosure.

But Viktor Pinchuk, Mr Kuchma’s billionaire son-in-law, said in a recent interview he did not believe that there was evidence that Mr Yushchenko was poisoned.

“I believe he is sure it was poisoning. He’s not a liar. But some people from his camp created this provocation against him, his image, the government and the country," he said.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1393172,00.html

The fallout from this should be interesting...


It was the initial statements of this Korpan doctor, he promised to reveal proofs of his so-called diagnosis, but later the CHIEF of this Austrian hospital (more experienced guy) disproved all his blah-blah-blah and said that they found nothing during examination of Yushenko.

This Kopran's statements are old news. And already disproved news.

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Of course it's old news; I posted it two days ago. Haven't seen you disprove it yet, though...

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This whole poisoning story is a plain bullsh!t.


ah yes, knee jerk reaction as usual. im convinved now. great argument.

 
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