09-02-2005 01:05									#121
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quote: Originally posted by bongo As of 1 turn ago I am at war with another civ btw, those I have contact with have been informed already.

A reminder about the code: tribes you are not in contact with should not receive any game-specific information from you, generalized or not...

	09-02-2005 01:40									#122
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Ever screwed a civ over in single player and got the friendly "words of your evil deeds have travelled before you" when you meet a new civ?

	09-02-2005 01:50									#123
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You wipe out Civilizations before they meet anyone else? Fer shame, Doc...

	09-02-2005 02:28									#124
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Once or twice...

I were referring to those occasions where you didn't succeed in wiping someone out and they lived to tell others about your wrongdoings.

But I see your point, I shouldn't posted that comment here, even though the civs I had contact with was informed beforehand, who in turn may have passed word on etc.

It was mostly for the benefit of the audience anyway

	09-02-2005 07:31									#125
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I'm hiding in my ivory tower and pretending the world outside doesn't exist

Which means I won't be able to play the turn for another 10 or 12 hours

	09-02-2005 18:12									#126
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2630BC to alexman

	10-02-2005 03:29									#127
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Sorry for the delay guys.
I'm waiting for a diplo response before playing my turn.
It should be soon, since you're all online now...

	10-02-2005 04:14									#128
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Well clearly it's not from me, since I haven't been asked for one

	10-02-2005 04:41									#129
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Sorry about that, 2630 finally sent.

I don't think I have made so many enemies so fast in a game before.

I'm now accepting tips from Bongo on how to deal with a 3-on-1.

	10-02-2005 05:22									#130
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quote: Originally posted by alexman I'm now accepting tips from Bongo on how to deal with a 3-on-1.

This early in the game, there may be no way to survive a 3-on-1. It may be time for a coup in Sumeria and the ascension of a more benevolent and reasonable leader. Be warned

	10-02-2005 16:37									#131
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quote: Originally posted by alexman I'm now accepting tips from Bongo on how to deal with a 3-on-1.

Sure thing, all you need is ivory, mathematics and a SGL

Then it would be a good idea if you could get the others to invade you while the SoZ is in its heyday. You could start an invasion of your own as well, not too sure about that.


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	10-02-2005 20:12									#132
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2590BC to the barbarian of Sumeria

	10-02-2005 21:35									#133
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2590 BC sent from our 'embedded' units in Aqualand.

	12-02-2005 14:23									#134
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41 hours and counting......Bongo?

	12-02-2005 15:48									#135
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My Email (and earlier my entire PC) is broken! I can receive mails, but I cannot send them.

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	12-02-2005 23:41									#136
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Thanks Aqua. Sorry, but I'll be fighting for office space for the next few days and might not be very quick on my response times.

Another light reminder, everyone should post a sent message each turn, unless extenuating circumstances interfere...

	13-02-2005 02:00									#137
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2550bc to aqualung71

You can remove the save now moonbars

	13-02-2005 09:33									#138
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2550BC to alexman, the despotic tyrannical aggressor of Sumeria

	13-02-2005 23:23									#139
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Oops, the Celts are dangerous when they're mad.
I saw braveheart...

Question: In communication with another tribe without an embassy, can you mention a technology you don't already possess? (1-2a). I thought you could not (otherwise you can coordinate research), but I suspect people are doing it.

2550 BC sent.

	14-02-2005 02:14									#140
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I guess it is unavoidable sometimes.

An example from single player. When you are the first to research a tech, the AI will often offer good prices for it. Sometimes though, even rich civs will only offer you a fraction of its worth. The reason is simple, they are researching it themselves and are almost done. They will not pay you more than it will cost to finish it themself.

If someone offers a tech I am almost done working on myself, I prefer to tell them why i won't pay much for it rather than just tell them 'no'.

	14-02-2005 02:34									#141
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Not to mention that while a statement like "I'm almost done researching 'sliced bread' now" May be against the rules the effect are minute.

Unless you add "I'm going for 'sandwich making' next". Then we're talking research cooperation.


@Alexman, did you start this aggression frenzy this early because the rules outlaw alliances until they can be declared in-game?

	14-02-2005 03:18									#142
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Save to Bongolia

	14-02-2005 03:36									#143
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To aqualand (if it still exist that is)

	14-02-2005 04:37									#144
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Oh, Aqualand is still alive and well, have no fear oh Bongo of the mythical Mayans.

My interpretation of the etiquette is that in general, one should not be discussing techs one does not have.

I do accept Bongo's point however, that it is reasonable to say "I didn't accept that trade because I'm researching it myself", but I don't believe it's acceptable to extend that by saying "because I only have 3 more turns to go on it". Otherwise the other player may get the impression that the first player does not want to trade with him.

Generally agreeing to co-operate in research is also fine, but planning which techs each of you will research is unacceptable before an embassy is established.

But I'm sure Rommel will come along very soon and knock us all back into shape

2510BC to the aggressive, but slightly more cautious Sumerians

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	14-02-2005 06:15									#145
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quote: Originally posted by alexman Question: In communication with another tribe without an embassy, can you mention a technology you don't already possess? (1-2a). I thought you could not (otherwise you can coordinate research), but I suspect people are doing it.

The letter of the code is that such a tech can't be offered or requested in a deal, the intention being to curb coordinated research. Bongo's example, refusing a tech by explaining that it is already being researched, doesn't violate either of these aspects. Mentioning research times seems shady, but not explicitly wrong.

The only problems would be telling another player what you are researching if it has not already been brought to the table as an offering, or mentioning a tech that isn't being researched at all yet.

	14-02-2005 19:21									#146
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2510 sent

	14-02-2005 22:39									#147
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2510 BC sent to Bongolia

	15-02-2005 03:08									#148
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-->A71

	15-02-2005 03:48									#149
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There must be some delay, as the turn hasn't arrived yet

	15-02-2005 04:23									#150
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Ok now, but it took an hour to arrive

And Bongo, will you please stop changing around your formats for naming the save turn!

2470BC to alexman