26-12-2004 23:12									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon In the Communist utopia state funded hookers will eliminate the need for wives.

Who's gonna get us our beer?

	26-12-2004 23:12									#62
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 speak for yourself.

Obviously you aren't doing your wife right.

	26-12-2004 23:25									#63
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Who's gonna get us our beer?

that's where the production power of the industries comes in- you'll have a beer-getting machine in every home.

	27-12-2004 01:45									#65
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quote: Why on Earth would you use a condom with your wife? Seriously, just get her on the pill or give her a depro shot.

Very risky if you want to avoid having kids. She could decide she wants to get pregnant and start flushing the pills. You want to be sure something gets done, do it yourself--and that includes pregnancy protection.

	27-12-2004 01:49									#66
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I don't want one wife, why the **** would I want two?

	27-12-2004 04:00									#67
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To quote this spirit of something I once heard many years ago.

"Should a man have one wife, she will nag him and make his life unhappy.

And should he have two wives, one will always fight with the other and strife shall be a byword in his house.

And shoud he have three wives, two will always take sides against the other and he shall never have a moments peace.

But four, ah four is the proper number of wives for a man to have."

At which point I go ouch as my wife elbows me in the lower ribs.

	27-12-2004 05:04									#68
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I voted no. but this is assuming I could even get one spouse

	27-12-2004 05:36									#69
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No.


I have never loved anyone as deeply or as much as my partner, so there could be no pretence of treating a second spouse equally. For me he is a precious pearl without price, the nonpareil.

	27-12-2004 05:39									#70
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keep in mind my no vote reflects marriage only. It has nothing to do with fantasies or one time things I wish to do. Come on, who hasn't ever fantasized about doing a mother and her daughter (legal age of course) at the same time?

But for marraige, one is more than enough. Actually I prefer 0.

	27-12-2004 05:43									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Come on, who hasn't ever fantasized about doing a mother and her daughter (legal age of course) at the same time?

Strangely enough, it's not high on my list of fantasies....

	27-12-2004 07:06									#72
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No.

One can never treat the two equally, pretending one can is only self deceptiion.

	27-12-2004 07:08									#73
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I actually agree with Urban ranger

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	27-12-2004 07:57									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Rex Little Very risky if you want to avoid having kids. She could decide she wants to get pregnant and start flushing the pills. You want to be sure something gets done, do it yourself--and that includes pregnancy protection.

If you can't trust the woman then you shouldn't be married to her. If you're just dating then yeah condoms might be a good idea but we're talking wives.

	27-12-2004 09:16									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin If you can't trust the woman then you shouldn't be married to her. If you're just dating then yeah condoms might be a good idea but we're talking wives.

I completely agree with you that we should trust the wife, I only would like to point out that we should be sharing in the responsibility of birth control.

We also don't know the full ramifications of birth control pills, seeing that they mess with the hormonal balance in a woman's body, I say proceed with caution.

	27-12-2004 09:44									#76
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I voted "yes" because I'm short sighted, stupid...and perhaps a bit drunk too.

	27-12-2004 11:02									#77
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I think Bunnygrrl could use a wife.

	27-12-2004 11:19									#78
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At a most basic level what man wouldn't want more then one girl? That's the theory but in real life instead of one woman mad at me because I had forgotten the 1.25 year anniversary (or something similarly daft) I would then have two women pissed off at me. Likely they'd team up against me as well.

Also I'm a hypocrite who wouldn't want them to have another man besides me. It's not fair but that's what I'd want.

	27-12-2004 16:16									#79
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Polygamy can work, but not with a misogynist structure. Certainly, you can not have two women - one for cooking and one for cleaning as Jaguar (hopefully) jokes. But you could have three people wo love each other, and it deffinately does not have to be multiple women to one man.

Just because you wouldn't do something doesn't mean it can't work. There are numerous misogynist polygamous societies throughout the world, and they work / worked. They just aren't as efficient as monogamy.

	27-12-2004 16:24									#80
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It wouldn't be practical to do this here and now, but if the social structure supported it I would probably try and pick up another young wife ever 10 years or so.

	27-12-2004 16:26									#81
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Humans just don't do polygamy all that well generally speaking. It tends to be a status symbol showing a man's wealth or position in society. Most human beings are serial monogamists, staying with one partner for extended lengths of time in a pair bond.

	27-12-2004 16:32									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Humans just don't do polygamy all that well generally speaking. It tends to be a status symbol showing a man's wealth or position in society. Most human beings are serial monogamists, staying with one partner for extended lengths of time in a pair bond.

It's remarkably common, though obviously it is more likely to be more of an emergency measure in vulnerable populations and more regular in warrior cultures where captives are often taken.

	27-12-2004 16:52									#83
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Polygamous societies are remarkably common, but the actual practice isn't. As an emergency measure or in a warrior culture, it's still about status in society. Emergency measures such as keeping land in the family (like with the Toda tribe in India) help to keep the family's status and property. Warriors gather wives as symbols of status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy

quote: Patterns of occurrence At the same time, even within societies which allow polygamy, the actual practice of polygamy often occurs only rarely. To take on more than one wife often requires considerable financial resources: this may put polygamy beyond the means of the vast majority of people within those societies. Such appears the case in many traditional Islamic societies, and in Imperial China Within polygamous societies, multiple wives often become a status symbol denoting wealth and power. Conversely, within societies which formally prohibit polygamy, social opinion may look favorably on persons maintaining mistresses or engaging in serial monogamy. Some observers detect a social preference for polygyny in disease-prone (especially tropical) climates, and speculate that (from a potential mother's viewpoint) perceived quality of paternal genes may favour the practice there. The countervailing situation allegedly prevails in harsher climates, where (once again from a potential mother's viewpoint) reliable paternal care as exhibited in monogamous pair-bonding outweighs the importance of paternal genes.

Humans aren't biologically designed for true polygamy anyway. Gorillas are proper polygamists, keeping large harems of fertile females. In turn, they are large animals (to scare/fight off potential rivals) but with proportionally small reproductive organs (once the harem is established the male has sole access to the females). Chimps are proper free love advocates. Their body size is smaller since they don't have to fight rivals for exclusive access to females but have proportionally larger organs since they now have to outcompete rivals inside the female's reproductive tract. Humans are built for serial monogamy with the unspoken assumption that both sides will cheat a bit to spread their genes/secure good genes.

	28-12-2004 10:54									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin If you can't trust the woman then you shouldn't be married to her. If you're just dating then yeah condoms might be a good idea but we're talking wives.

Great in theory, but the divorce courts are littered with cases where one spouse was sure (s)he could trust the other until it was too late. And on the specific issue of birth control, it's not at all unusual for a woman who thought she didn't want kids to change her mind when the biological clock starts ticking down. I speak from experience.

	28-12-2004 11:29									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Humans just don't do polygamy all that well generally speaking. It tends to be a status symbol showing a man's wealth or position in society. Most human beings are serial monogamists, staying with one partner for extended lengths of time in a pair bond.

Of course. Polygamy can't be widespread among a single population - there aren't enough women.

	28-12-2004 12:06									#86
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I'll bet multiple husbands becomes an option for Chinese women, as there are thre hundred million less Chinese women than men.

	28-12-2004 15:37									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Polygamous societies are remarkably common, but the actual practice isn't. As an emergency measure or in a warrior culture, it's still about status in society. Emergency measures such as keeping land in the family (like with the Toda tribe in India) help to keep the family's status and property. Warriors gather wives as symbols of status. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy Humans aren't biologically designed for true polygamy anyway. Gorillas are proper polygamists, keeping large harems of fertile females. In turn, they are large animals (to scare/fight off potential rivals) but with proportionally small reproductive organs (once the harem is established the male has sole access to the females). Chimps are proper free love advocates. Their body size is smaller since they don't have to fight rivals for exclusive access to females but have proportionally larger organs since they now have to outcompete rivals inside the female's reproductive tract. Humans are built for serial monogamy with the unspoken assumption that both sides will cheat a bit to spread their genes/secure good genes.

I guess we'll just have to agree to agree.

	28-12-2004 18:19									#88
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When I was in Dubai, I asked a rug merchant I was chatting with about it.

In the UAE, you can have up to four wives, and you don't have to be muslim. However, before you can get the license you have to be able to prove you can support each in a seperate houshold.

So there is the rub, you have four wives, but the wives in practice still have one husband. I like this method, makes sure all the woman are taken care of. And when you get in a fight with one, you just move to the next house.

	28-12-2004 18:25									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander I guess we'll just have to agree to agree.

We're agreeing? Goddamn A&E Biography special! Never again shall you cause me to divide my attention!

	28-12-2004 19:02									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Just because you wouldn't do something doesn't mean it can't work. There are numerous misogynist polygamous societies throughout the world, and they work / worked.

Yes, and there's alot of other abusive relationships that "work", too.