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LOL!!! no offense intended... it's just so hard to have a look into the files 
My serious post for today:
Generally there are 2 ways of getting MOM to work: using EMS in DOS (for which you have to edit the MSDOS.SYS not to get windows started at every reboot) and getting the memory sorted out in WIN. to prevent windows from starting automatically, edit the hidden file MSDOS.SYS on your main drive (probably c:\)... search for the following lines:
[Options]
BootMulti=1
BootGUI=1
DoubleBuffer=1
AutoScan=1
WinVer=4.10.1998
change BootMulti and BootGUI from 1 to 0. Now windows is not automatically started after booting 
DOS:
To get the memory set to EMS in DOS you have to edit CONFIG.SYS and add the following lines to the file:
DEVICE=c:\windows\himem.sys
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=c:\windows\emm386.exe RAM D=64
DEVICEHIGH=C:\CDROMDRV\ATAPICD.SYS /D:CD003
actually, these are the ONLY lines your CONFIG.SYS may consist of! Better make a copy of your former config file! in the 'new' file, you're loading: HIMEM.SYS to get the high memory. DOS=HIGH,UMB to ... something with high memory, I don't know  ... and EMM386.EXE which eventually allows you to use EMS.... by NOT typing NOEMS in the end of the EMM386.EXE line, you prevent it from loading the XMS memory... I'm sure those of you who already use the file are loading XMS though.... well, the last line is for the CD ROM drive... if you use the HD version, you don't even need that 
the AUTOEXEC.BAT should look like this (the terms in brackets are only for commenting, don't type them in! ):
SMARTDRV (cool memory thing)
SET BLASTER=A220 I7 D1 T2 (sound card)
SET SNDSCAPE=C:\WINDOWS (sound card)
... (dos sound driver, depends on your system)
LH ... (keyboard file... you don't need it when in the US)
mode con rate=32 delay=1 (keyboard setting)
LH ... (DOS mouse driver)
LH ... (DOS CD ROM driver)
these settings are optimal for EMS memory... now MOM should work just fine, you have mor ethan 600K of free memory when using the right files for keyboard mouse and CD ROM.... the high memory is the clue...
WINDOWS:
make a shortcut with the magic.com on your desktop... open it
when I had less memory than I have now, I used to set the "Memory" setting in the shortcut's properties menu to a certain value... I had 64 Megs of RAM and set the EMS option in the Memory option (properties menu for magic.pif) to the highest possible value... it was 16384, I think... nowadays I have 192 Megs of RAM, so it works just fine...
But there's one important detail: for the winodws start, you must not load any drivers and/or devices into your autoexec and config files than you need to play the certain dos game in windows... actually, if you are playing the HD version, your config.sys can be EMPTY!!! the CD ROM device is the only necessary tool, if it is... the autoexec only needs sound and mouse driver, perhaps a keyboard driver. all the stuff that is loaded in those files is only needed for DOS programs, so it's only slowing down windows...
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
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Ah, battles of DOS wisdom. Now these I do love .
First, about the boot disk maker: Whatever you might think, CW, it's quite good. Or, would you try to beat this with your configurations:
Modules using memory below 1 MB:
Name Total Conventional Upper Memory
-------- ---------------- ---------------- ----------------
SYSTEM 16,496 (16K) 9,792 (10K) 6,704 (7K)
QEMM386 784 (1K) 784 (1K) 0 (0K)
WBUF 480 (0K) 144 (0K) 336 (0K)
COMMAND 6,256 (6K) 0 (0K) 6,256 (6K)
CTMOUSE 3,440 (3K) 0 (0K) 3,440 (3K)
XMSDSK 688 (1K) 0 (0K) 688 (1K)
CLOAKING 832 (1K) 0 (0K) 832 (1K)
VIDE-CDD 5,024 (5K) 0 (0K) 5,024 (5K)
ZENO 1,120 (1K) 0 (0K) 1,120 (1K)
SETVER 464 (0K) 0 (0K) 464 (0K)
ANSI 4,320 (4K) 0 (0K) 4,320 (4K)
FIX27 192 (0K) 0 (0K) 192 (0K)
SMARTDRV 19,328 (19K) 0 (0K) 19,328 (19K)
MSCDEX 2,608 (3K) 0 (0K) 2,608 (3K)
PERUSE 4,112 (4K) 0 (0K) 4,112 (4K)
REALDEAL 2,240 (2K) 0 (0K) 2,240 (2K)
FCSH 2,688 (3K) 0 (0K) 2,688 (3K)
DZ 1,920 (2K) 0 (0K) 1,920 (2K)
ESCAPE 352 (0K) 0 (0K) 352 (0K)
KILLER 400 (0K) 0 (0K) 400 (0K)
Free 758,928 (741K) 644,544 (629K) 114,384 (112K)
Memory Summary:
Type of Memory Total Used Free
---------------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Conventional 655,360 10,816 644,544
Upper 177,408 63,024 114,384
Reserved 0 0 0
Extended (XMS) 65,817,344 2,591,488 63,225,856
---------------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Total memory 66,650,112 2,665,328 63,984,784
Total under 1 MB 832,768 73,840 758,928
Total Expanded (EMS) 66,174,976 (63M)
Free Expanded (EMS) 63,225,856 (60M)
Largest executable program size 644,528 (629K)
Largest free upper memory block 94,880 (93K)
MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area.
Anyway, even if I use Techw0rm, I can't get the sounds to work under DOS (I have SB16, and no auto-detection programs for under DOS), so I have decided to use Windows. But anyway, now my problem is that MoM doesn't detect the EMS for some reason... I could barely get 573K conventional memory under Windows by disabling the side frame of EMS, but seems like the side frame is needed, so I don't know what I can do under Windows.
And yet, just because of looking smart:
- You forgot the lh before smartdrv... Now you don't want a 28K program taking up your conventional memory, do you? (*prays that Smartdrive, which is a HD/floppy/CD read/write buffer manager, doesn't auto-load itself to upper memory*)
- DOS = UMB means that all the DOS stuff outside programs (e.g. global variables, system information) is stored in upper memory, DOS = HIGH means that DOS coordinates the usage of high memory. Note that whatever you do, don't put DOS=SINGLE into config.sys... not that it would damage anything, but you can't use Windows with it .
- I prefer to have BootGUI = 1 , because I mostly use Windows anyway... BTW, if you want to save 512 bytes of hard drive space (or, in some cases, even more!), delete enough of those x's so that your msdos.sys is exactly 1024 bytes. (Now everybody goes and says "Wow, I've just saved half a kilobyte of HD space! Praise LE!)
Again, do not call me a Windows nerd .
(EDIT: Added preformatting tags to part of the post, looks better now)
[This message has been edited by LightEning (edited March 09, 2001).]
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erm... I don't know... there IS a reason why I don't load smartdrv into himem... hmm... 
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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OK, as we should really be talking about MoM, well, here goes a "bug report":
I got Sir Harold offering to be hired, I would have got this for 10 mana/turn and 250 GP:
Super leadership
Super legendary
Blademaster
Constitution
Noble
Construction ( -> can construct roads)
Pathfinding
Plane shift
Create outpost
Invisibility
Land corruption ( -> may corrupt any square after being there for more than one turn )
Wind walking
Regeneration
Purify
Summon demons * 2 (Demon lords have summon demons * 3)
Caster 0 mp (What good is it then?)
Fire, Missiles, Magic and Death immunity
Doombolt spell (No umbrella, tho)
Cause fear spell
Resistance to all
Armor piercing
First strike
Automatic damage ( -> Half of his damage would have been doom damage, i.e. it would have went over each and every armor, hit and resistance check)
Destruction ( -> Causes the target to either make a succesful resistance roll or be disintegrated... This one would have been fun with a few artifacts with high spell save penalties)
Illusion
Even if it would have been quite a good deal, I respectfully declined to keep the game from freezing.
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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OK, Chowlett, here's the instructions for #3 in nutcase, in fact this is almost the same thing that Andz said:
1. Make backup copies of the files named autoexec.bat and config.sys, they should be on your c:\ directory.
2. Remove everything but the rows containing "himem.sys" and "emm386.exe" from config.sys (Win doesn't work without himem and you need to have upper memory, so you can't just strip everything away) (Note also that if you don't have the game completely on HD, don't delete the rows that refer to the CD driver).
3. If you have MoM completely on HD, delete everything from autoexec.bat. If you don't, don't remove the row that refers to mscdex.exe (or to other CD driver).
4. Pray.
5. Reboot.
6. Execute MoM from Windows.
And if this doesn't work, be a good boy and post here the contents of your autoexec.bat and config.sys - files and we veterans can give more precise instructions.
[This message has been edited by LightEning (edited March 09, 2001).]
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Chaos Spawn
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Marysville, Ohio
Feb 2001
time: 05:13
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I went to gaming depot to get the version of MoM to download to my HD (with the hopes of running it with a bootdisk - I can't get the CD version to run even with techworm - I get a CD not found file error), and was unable to locate the download version of Master of Magic.
I found Master of Orion in the strategy link, but no MoM.
Then I put Master of Magic in the search field, and only came up with a link to the download version of Colonization.
Any ideas where I might find it?
I think if I can find the HD version I have a good chance of getting it to run with techworm. I am getting my vacation days in April, so now would be the perfect timing... =P.
- Chaos
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Richard Bruns
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NC, USA
Nov 1999
time: 06:13
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I downloaded it and finally got it to run, and I am really impressed. I mow realize that the other fantasy strategy games that I liked, such as Warlords III and Heroes of Might and Magic, are merely imitations, and rather poor ones at that. This game is really good. In some ways, the city management and economy systems are better than Civilization. The battle system is great, far surpassing that of every other empire building game I have played to date. Overall, it promises to be a fantastic playing experience.
The only problem was the lack of sound. I have an integrated soundcard that absolutely refuses to work with any DOS-based game. But I recently found and downloaded the MIDI music files, so I can run them in the background while I play. I am playing that music now, simply going down the playlist. This music is good. If you are forced to play without sound due to some settings problem, I highly recommend this tactic.
That said, I'm not doing too well. How am I supposed to expand in the early game? Founding new cities is horribly slow and costly and the space requirement makes it really hard to find a good place to build anyway. All the neutral cities seem to be packed with good units, typically hordes of halberdiers. On Normal diffuculty with Merlin and High Men, I am surrounded with tough cities, tougher lairs, and impossibly tough nodes. My starting units are hopeless, so I have to wait until I build up. I'll send in a hero and several groups of pikemen, and maybe a couple summoned beasts, and they all get clobbered. I wasn't able to do anything but sit in my city until I built up a pack of paladins and beefed them up with spells, and even they eventually got clobbered by a few fire giants in a lair.
I read the manual and FAQ, but they don't help much. How am I supposed to get an empire started?
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Richard Bruns
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NC, USA
Nov 1999
time: 06:13
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Thanks, pchang.
I must say that I found that Heroism is often quite pointless when you are a Warlord. After a string of battles, I happened to notice that I had several super-elite units that were being "helped" by this spell. Apparently that's a bug in the game; when the units are altered by the Warlord skill, the spells didn't go away on their own like they was supposed to. Since they can easily come out as Veterans and then raise to Elite rather quickly, It seems that the spell points are better used for other things.
Horsebowmen are now my favorite unit. I get to recreate the battle of Carrhae every time I take a city. With careful manouvering, a few of them even took out two Earth Elementals and a horde of War Bears without getting scratched.
I love life magic. My starting spearman was out scouting the map, and it ran across a city defended by only two swordsmen. I pumped him up with spells, charged him in, and added Exeter to my empire. It was actually the first city I took that game.
I have erased another warlord and now control a thriving continent. The only problem is that the two Wizard Towers on that continent each lead to one square islands, so I haven't been able to do anything on Myrror yet.
It seems that this game was a lot nicer than earlier ones. There were several lairs and ruins with nothing in them at all. Maybe I just got unlucky in those first games.
It seems like the best strategy is to start with a race that expands quickly, and capture races that have good late-game units. Most of my cities are High Man. I am almost ready to churn out Paladins from Exteter.
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Chaos Spawn
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Marysville, Ohio
Feb 2001
time: 05:13
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Thanks for that site address pchang, I downloaded the HD version last night, got it unzipped, and installed.
Now I am going to go back to techworm to make a new boot disk (erased the last in frustration).
You will know if I am sucessful, because you won't see me post for at least 6 months (it is hard to find the time to post when MoM is in the house =P).
-Chaos
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Chaos Spawn
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Marysville, Ohio
Feb 2001
time: 05:13
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GAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
Ok, here is my present situation (with the techworm bootdisk).
I can't run the game from cd because i get the unable to locate cd error.
I can't run the game even using the download version that is entirely on my HD with techworm, here is what happened:
I tried the Custom Startup with mouse support, cloaking, no TSR's, no CD support, and the rest were yes (can't remember all of em), got to the A: prompt, switched to C:, then tried to cd to my game's directory for the exe file, and got the message that the game was causing divide overflow (I know that DZ.com on the techworm is supposed to fix that, but i don't know how to load it after the custom startup.
Then i tried to do the step by step startup and after many attempts (trial and error on what to load) i get to the a prompt, then switch to c, and try to cd to the directory for the exe command, and i get the bad file name reply (or whatever dos calls it). As a matter of fact, i can't get any file name to work at this point - i even tried to /dir my c drive, and got a buncha gibberish -fonts that i have never seen the likes of before -( this is with the step by step setup)...
I admit, I have a rudimentary understanding of MSDOS at best, so please try not to choke on your Doritos while reading about my feeble attemps to do this.
I AM NOT GIVING UP THIS TIME!!
Any ideas?
-Chaos
[This message has been edited by Chaos Spawn (edited March 21, 2001).]
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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OK, the resident MoM expert returns ...
pchang: Yep, it is good if you want a VERY guick conquest, but ever tried 11 life books? Choose "incarnation" spell from the start, and preferably high elves as your race. You get at least 12 mana/turn right from the beginning, and so it doesn't take a very long time to summon Torin. Then give him heroism, and when you get more mana intake, bless and endurance. After that, just ravage every place you can with him. In the beginning he isn't as quick as the wraiths but he is pretty much the ultimate fighter unit in the game. After a while you will get some nice artifacts, and perhaps even flight spell: Speed 10, flying. 50 attack in battles. Kills stackfuls of great drakes easily.
Spawn: Write: DZ /Install . The problem is, the program rarely works, so don't count on it. But i don't know what is going on if you get gibberish when using dir. Try writing "dir c: > dir.txt" and spying the file from Windows, it could be of some help. And of course, because I have never seen a dir command giving out gibberish before, I'd like to see what the gibberish looks like .
BTW, this thread should be closed...
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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OK, the resident MoM expert returns ...
pchang: Yep, it is good if you want a VERY guick conquest, but ever tried 11 life books? Choose "incarnation" spell from the start, and preferably high elves as your race. You get at least 12 mana/turn right from the beginning, and so it doesn't take a very long time to summon Torin. Then give him heroism, and when you get more mana intake, bless and endurance. After that, just ravage every place you can with him. In the beginning he isn't as quick as the wraiths but he is pretty much the ultimate fighter unit in the game. After a while you will get some nice artifacts, and perhaps even flight spell: Speed 10, flying. 50 attack in battles. Kills stackfuls of great drakes easily.
Spawn: Write: DZ /Install . The problem is, the program rarely works, so don't count on it. But i don't know what is going on if you get gibberish when using dir. Try writing "dir c: > dir.txt" and spying the file from Windows, it could be of some help. And of course, because I have never seen a dir command giving out gibberish before, I'd like to see what the gibberish looks like .
BTW, this thread should be closed...
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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OK, the resident MoM expert returns ...
pchang: Yep, it is good if you want a VERY guick conquest, but ever tried 11 life books? Choose "incarnation" spell from the start, and preferably high elves as your race. You get at least 12 mana/turn right from the beginning, and so it doesn't take a very long time to summon Torin. Then give him heroism, and when you get more mana intake, bless and endurance. After that, just ravage every place you can with him. In the beginning he isn't as quick as the wraiths but he is pretty much the ultimate fighter unit in the game. After a while you will get some nice artifacts, and perhaps even flight spell: Speed 10, flying. 50 attack in battles. Kills stackfuls of great drakes easily.
Spawn: Write: DZ /Install . The problem is, the program rarely works, so don't count on it. But i don't know what is going on if you get gibberish when using dir. Try writing "dir c: > dir.txt" and spying the file from Windows, it could be of some help. And of course, because I have never seen a dir command giving out gibberish before, I'd like to see what the gibberish looks like .
BTW, this thread should be closed...
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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OK, the resident MoM expert returns ...
pchang: Yep, it is good if you want a VERY guick conquest, but ever tried 11 life books? Choose "incarnation" spell from the start, and preferably high elves as your race. You get at least 12 mana/turn right from the beginning, and so it doesn't take a very long time to summon Torin. Then give him heroism, and when you get more mana intake, bless and endurance. After that, just ravage every place you can with him. In the beginning he isn't as quick as the wraiths but he is pretty much the ultimate fighter unit in the game. After a while you will get some nice artifacts, and perhaps even flight spell: Speed 10, flying. 50 attack in battles. Kills stackfuls of great drakes easily.
Spawn: Write: DZ /Install . The problem is, the program rarely works, so don't count on it. But i don't know what is going on if you get gibberish when using dir. Try writing "dir c: > dir.txt" and spying the file from Windows, it could be of some help. And of course, because I have never seen a dir command giving out gibberish before, I'd like to see what the gibberish looks like .
BTW, this thread should be closed...
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