11-01-2005 11:04									#61
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Jack on the scene protecting the Sec. of Defense!

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	11-01-2005 11:04									#62
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	11-01-2005 11:06									#63
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Terrorist mom (Dina) and dad (Navi)

Though I want to hit it with terrorist mom Dina.

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	11-01-2005 11:07									#64
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Terrorist son Behrooz trying to do the right thing.

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	11-01-2005 11:08									#65
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	11-01-2005 14:53									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www Have you even watched the show once?

I watched about 5 minutes of it. Got some glaring plot holes and stuff.

	11-01-2005 15:35									#67
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I decided to watch the show after all the talk here and the background info discussed here was a good launch pad.

The show was ok with some good scenes, but 1 thing puzzled me. Jack needed to delay the terrorist to give time for the satellite to track him. So he... holds up the gas station??? Granted he had to think quick, but wouldn't it have been easier and safer to have only car-jacked the terrorist instead (which he did later anyways) or even do something less drastic (flat tire,etc)?

Or was that whole extremity typical of Jack's style? Someone who acts before he thinks and puts more people in danger than necessary, but succeeds nonetheless.

I know the terrorists need the Sec. of Defense alive, but I wasn't buying the whole attempted escape scene either. If the daughter who knows of her's father's medical condition cannot help her father, I don't see why a lone guard would leave his position and go in the cell to attempt to play nurse.

	11-01-2005 16:29									#68
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1. robbery was typical. Impulsive Jack, usuallly gets good results, sometimes not, the writers are in danger of making him omniscient.

2. the lone guard doesn't know the medical condition of the guy, so he HAD to check it out, as if Heller died while he was there, before the trial, the guard would probably be killed, wouldn't cha think?

	11-01-2005 17:18									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Sara

Oh Yeah! She is major hottie!

All you realize that Terrorist Mom would sleep with you and then kill you and throw your body away? I think you'd want to stay away from her.

	11-01-2005 17:24									#70
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel 1. robbery was typical. Impulsive Jack, usuallly gets good results, sometimes not, the writers are in danger of making him omniscient.

I think the robbery was way overboard. It was a "jump the shark" moment for me. Jack commits a major crime, taking innocent people hostage including a cop! Jack put everything in jeopardy. One single bad move and the bad guy would have gotten away or Jack would have gotten caught or shot by the cops outside. Even as it is now, Jack should be locked up in prison for 20-30 years. Armed robbery with hostages is a serious crime.

quote: 2. the lone guard doesn't know the medical condition of the guy, so he HAD to check it out, as if Heller died while he was there, before the trial, the guard would probably be killed, wouldn't cha think?

You are right. But "good guy feigns health problem so that lone guard checks him out" is rather cliche, don't you think?

	11-01-2005 18:55									#71
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Yes, very dissapointed so far. Jack has gone way over the top. In previous seasons it was always because he had no other choice, now it's like the first option.
Knife the tire also can to my mind. But even worse, he had the guys cell phone, dumping it would probably have given them all the info they needed. It's the first thing they do on every other crime show so it's not that obscure.

	11-01-2005 19:05									#72
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quote: Originally posted by rah Knife the tire also can to my mind. But even worse, he had the guys cell phone, dumping it would probably have given them all the info they needed. It's the first thing they do on every other crime show so it's not that obscure.

Knifing the tire could have tipped off the bad guy that someone was following him and caused him to go to an alternate location. But it was still a good option IMO. And the truth is that there was nothing that bad with bringing the guy in for interrogation. Questioning the guy + the cell phone would probably give CTU some good info to find Heller. If they used the drug or the sensory deprivation on the terrorist dude, I am sure they could extract info. Instead, they are using the extreme techniques on some hippie kid who probably doesn't know anything.

Sure, following the guy to Heller is the fastest way to save the SecDef but it is also the most dangerous and risky. Bringing the guy in for questioning would take more time but it probably save the SecDef too.

Let's not forget that Jack's girlfriend is also hostage. And he admitted to falling in love with her. Jack is probably going over the top because he is so desperate to find her. He does not want to lose her like he lost his wife. I think if the show says that this is his motivation, it would make the actions we've seen more believable.

	11-01-2005 21:04									#73
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If he had knifed the tire through the tread and not the sidewall, it's not as obvious. A simple poke does the job.

And why didn't jack switch cars after driving away from the gas station. He never slipped like this in the past.

AND more humorous. THE standard CTU kit in the back of the truck has a SKI MASK but not a simple tracer that he could have attached to the guys car.

AND WHY DID HE TAKE OFF HIS MASK DURING THE ROBBERY?

THE WRITING THIS YEAR IS VERY WEAK.

And don't the staff at CTU have more important things to do today without having to worry about all the soap opera crap.

It had better get better. And the new time slot sucks.

	11-01-2005 21:17									#74
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quote: Originally posted by rah If he had knifed the tire through the tread and not the sidewall, it's not as obvious. A simple poke does the job. And why didn't jack switch cars after driving away from the gas station. He never slipped like this in the past. AND more humorous. THE standard CTU kit in the back of the truck has a SKI MASK but not a simple tracer that he could have attached to the guys car. AND WHY DID HE TAKE OFF HIS MASK DURING THE ROBBERY? THE WRITING THIS YEAR IS VERY WEAK.

I wonder if the writers did the robbery scene strictly to "pump up the action" because they think the audience expects gun waving, gun shooting, yelling, explosions, and car chases every 5 minutes.

	11-01-2005 21:48									#75
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Yes, that's probably part of it. It is quite hard to top all the action in last season. It's also why they probably included that lame escape scene, which didn't really add anything to the plot.

Poisoning the tea while Kids look at baby pictures doesn't quite pump up the testosterone.

	11-01-2005 22:10									#76
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quote: Originally posted by rah Poisoning the tea while Kids look at baby pictures doesn't quite pump up the testosterone.

True. But I hope the writers remember that kind of subtle suspense can be just as good as fast paced action.

	11-01-2005 22:57									#77
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rah needs a BEAT DOWN!

	12-01-2005 00:31									#78
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No, I need better writing on 24.

But I do agree with you Diplomat, I liked that scene a lot. Predictable but enjoyable. I loved "we've very dissapointed in you" He couldn't kill his own girlfriend, DOH, Ya gotta love it.

	12-01-2005 00:48									#79
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quote: Originally posted by rah I loved "we've very dissapointed in you" He couldn't kill his own girlfriend, DOH, Ya gotta love it.

When the dad comes home and learns that his son tried to escape with his girlfriend instead of killing her, the kid is going to "get it". Although, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid does run away and even switched sides and helped CTU.

	12-01-2005 01:02									#80
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Knowing the lame writing, I think we can count on that.

	12-01-2005 03:52									#81
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel 2. the lone guard doesn't know the medical condition of the guy, so he HAD to check it out, as if Heller died while he was there, before the trial, the guard would probably be killed, wouldn't cha think?

Perhaps, but they would probably do worse to him if Heller escaped.
If the daughter who knows of her father's medical condition cannot save him, why would the guard be able to prevent him from dying and still successfully keep the daughter in check by going in the cell?
Why didn't he inform others what was happening so someone else could guard while he played magic healer?
Well, I guess just chalk it up to a stupid guard grunt.

quote: If he had knifed the tire through the tread and not the sidewall, it's not as obvious.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

quote: And why didn't jack switch cars after driving away from the gas station.

I attributed that to his "not think before you act" reckless style I mentioned earlier. I didn't know he wasn't that sloppy in earlier episodes.

And Jack tells the terrorist he was really after the $18k in the armored truck, but he made it clear to everyone earlier he didn't know when it would arrive. So he's pretending to be a robber who holds up a gas station to rob an armored truck... with an arrival time (2hrs later in this case) he doesn't know at all?

quote: AND more humorous. THE standard CTU kit in the back of the truck has a SKI MASK but not a simple tracer that he could have attached to the guys car.

Having not seen prior episodes I assumed he stole the SUV he was driving, perhaps from a terrorist.

quote: AND WHY DID HE TAKE OFF HIS MASK DURING THE ROBBERY?

I had the channel flipped during that part & assumed I just missed the reason.

	12-01-2005 04:51									#82
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yup, I completely agree with the weak writing problem. some good as mentioned the iranian family, some very very bad, the whole stick up. I don't think having him do borderline insane things is the way to shock us. At least show us that there is no other way, this just seems all impulsive.

	12-01-2005 07:41									#83
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quote: Originally posted by rah If he had knifed the tire through the tread and not the sidewall, it's not as obvious. A simple poke does the job.

The terrorist would have likely stolen anther car. Look at what he did when Jack droped him off after the fake robbery. If he would have done that first he would not know what car he was in, and he would have no way of tracking him since he had to wait for the satlite to come into view.

quote: And why didn't jack switch cars after driving away from the gas station. He never slipped like this in the past. AND more humorous. THE standard CTU kit in the back of the truck has a SKI MASK but not a simple tracer that he could have attached to the guys car. AND WHY DID HE TAKE OFF HIS MASK DURING THE ROBBERY?

I did not see any cars on that road that Jack could change into. Besides by looking at the commericals for next week he gets the police to free him in time to get to the base that the terrorist are holding the Sec of Def.

The point about the tracker is a good one, and he could have avoid the whole stuation of robbery.

I think he took the mask off because he did not care if people saw his face. It is not like he going to get arrested and can easily get the police to drop any charges.

	12-01-2005 07:43									#84
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Knifing the tire could have tipped off the bad guy that someone was following him and caused him to go to an alternate location. But it was still a good option IMO. And the truth is that there was nothing that bad with bringing the guy in for interrogation. Questioning the guy + the cell phone would probably give CTU some good info to find Heller. If they used the drug or the sensory deprivation on the terrorist dude, I am sure they could extract info. Instead, they are using the extreme techniques on some hippie kid who probably doesn't know anything. Sure, following the guy to Heller is the fastest way to save the SecDef but it is also the most dangerous and risky. Bringing the guy in for questioning would take more time but it probably save the SecDef too. Let's not forget that Jack's girlfriend is also hostage. And he admitted to falling in love with her. Jack is probably going over the top because he is so desperate to find her. He does not want to lose her like he lost his wife. I think if the show says that this is his motivation, it would make the actions we've seen more believable.

The problem with taking him in is that if the terrorist found out that he was cought they would know it would only be a matter of time before he would break and tell CTU the location of the Sec of Def. Also it is fast to let him lead them to the location, it could take a long time to take him in for questioning and break him. And by the time they break him and Sec of Def could already be dead.

	12-01-2005 09:24									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Sava rah needs a BEAT DOWN!

word up what a wack criticism rah

	12-01-2005 10:34									#86
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I saw the first 20 minutes of the first episode.

I present to you all proof that oppresive parents are like terrorists. That dad is a controling *******, and thus he is a terrorist. Coincidence? I think not!

Plus, while I didn't watch anymore, and don't really care to, his son I betcha is gonna end up saving the world or whatever when he beats his ****-head dad down. Youth power!

Moral of the story: Oppresive parents are terrorists, youth should rise up against them.

	12-01-2005 10:47									#87
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Come on Ozzy, you want to hit it with the Turkish mom, admit it.

	12-01-2005 10:59									#88
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Ted and I don't agree on much anymore, but at least we still agree that Turkish chicks are

Oh, and a big to 24. It can't be beat in terms of excitement, pretty much better then any action movie out there.

	12-01-2005 12:45									#89
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The only reason I think Jack took off the mask was because it was insanely hot? But even then... DON'T TAKE OFF THE MASK!

And some real cliche parts:

I'm really sick, so you have to open up the jail!

Hey, I'll leave my flunkees to take care of Andrew, while I go somewhere else and assume they did a great job!


Though, it is interesting. Seeing as it is my first time watching 24, it ain't half bad. But where my "House" (on Tuesday), Fox

	12-01-2005 13:00									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www The terrorist would have likely stolen anther car.

Changing a tire only takes 15 minutes. He's not an old lady. Why risk possibly having the local police after him over a car-jacking that may or may not work to save 15minutes?

And it's not like a flat tire or hold up the whole gas station were the only options.

quote: I did not see any cars on that road that Jack could change into.

It sure didn't take long for the terrorist on foot to find a new vehicle on that road.

quote: Besides by looking at the commericals for next week he gets the police to free him in time to get to the base that the terrorist are holding the Sec of Def.

Yes, that's convenient.

quote: I think he took the mask off because he did not care if people saw his face. It is not like he going to get arrested and can easily get the police to drop any charges.

So if you were one of the hostages (like the terrorist) wouldn't you wonder why a robber doesn't care if people (who he lets live) see his face when he came with means to prevent it? Why even bring the mask in the 1st place?