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DR SHAHRISTANI: It was clear to me and to everybody else at the meeting that
he meant that he wanted the scientists at the Atomic Energy to devote all their time
to develop a nuclear bomb for him. I chose at that time basically to remind him
very innocently if you like, that Iraq had signed the non-proliferation treaty with the
International Atomic Energy Agency, and then he just looked at me and he said Dr
Hussain, you are a good scientist, mind your scientific work and leave politics to
us, we know what to do.
CORBIN: Dr Shahristani refused to participate in Saddam Hussein’s new venture.
The President tried brutal persuasion.
DR SHAHRISTANI: In the torture chambers they start by hanging a person till
their arms are usually paralysed and then they give them electric shocks on their
sensitive parts of their body, their private parts and so on. They will keep on at it,
day in, day out, not allowing a person to sleep. That went on for 22 days in my
case.
CORBIN: For 11 years Saddam Hussein kept Dr Shahristani in prison. The
dictator still needed a more compliant scientist to develop his bomb programme.
Dr Jaffar Jaffa, a brilliant London University trained physicist was the man for the
job. He too needed some persuading at first.
Dr HUSSAIN AL- SHAHRISTANI
Former Senior Scientific Advisor
Atomic Energy Organisation of Iraq
Dr Jaffa himself for example was the key figure, the single person that was really
responsible for all the technology and development. I know that he has been
brought to prison and they brought other people and tortured them to death in front
of him. Till he cracked down and he just couldn't take it anymore and he said you
know.. I’m not going to be a cause for all these people to be tortured like this till
they die, and he decided to go back to work. |
Sounds pretty determined,to me.
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Originally posted by notyoueither
We know more about him than any other, because of the attention he gained due to his unfortunate end. Do you suppose that he was alone, and it was on he and he alone that Blair agreed to go along with Bush? |
What does the Hutton Report tell you?
Why did Mr George W Bush need the OSP? Why did all these former intelligence people and officials come out into the public and assert GWB was acting on a fixed agenda of invading Iraq?
Why are you ignoring all this evidence to the contrary?
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notyoueither
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btw, isn't this Kay fellow one of the heroes of your case, Aggie? |
No.
The hero of my case is me. I bothered thinking about what nuclear weapons are for - deterrence - primarily against Israel and Iran.
I bothered wondering why Saddam would spend billions and risk invasion all for the purpose of giving a nuclear warhead to the Al Qaeda nutters, whose stated purpose is to remove people like him and his regime from existence.
I bothered reading up about chemical and biological weapons and discovered that they don't really work - at least not in the way that terrorists would find useful. In any case it would be cheaper and easier for terrorists to make their own chemical or bioweapons - it isn't hard. The AUM cult managed it.
Anyone who thought Saddam was a threat was overlooking the obvious. He's not stupid or crazy - his main aim in the last decade had been to overturn the sanctions and prevent internal revolts and plots. He certainly had no plans to invade anywhere again after what happened to Kuwait.
Why don't you right wingers think critically about what you read? Most journalists are morons who live off of briefings and give credence to the often absurd lies peddled by our overlords.
If they had done their ****ing job, Blair would have been laughed out of office. A few did, and were pilloried for it. Turns out that they were right, as was Blix (who comes out of this with his reputation intact).
Just what were you right about? I'd like to know. In addition I and others said that the occupation would turn pear shaped, and unfortunately we were right..... again.. |
First, I'm not right wing, Aggie. I would make a lot of Democrats look like fascists. However, I can see how from your perch I must seem like a later day Brown Shirt.
Second, I am very pleased that you have deluded yourself that a Saddam with billions to play with could not have purchased materials and or weapons. KH used to go on at length about how he couldn't refine the stuff. Big deal! He bordered countries that are corrupt and have the ****ing stuff hanging about as unwanted waste!
Lastly, the guy is sociopathic. Only a moron tries to reason out what a sosiopath is going to do. The man possessed not a single jot of compassion, or understanding. He, and his ego were all that mattered. Anyone who would trust that man with billions after no personal consequences for being a 'bad boy' has got to be in the running for a Darwin of the Century award. Congratulations, you've won big!
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
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KH used to go on at length about how he couldn't refine the stuff. |
He was right. It takes enough power to supply a small city to power the process and people would notice.
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Lastly, the guy is sociopathic. Only a moron tries to reason out what a sosiopath is going to do. The man possessed not a single jot of compassion, or understanding. He, and his ego were all that mattered. |
Like all sociopaths, he cared about himself and staying alive. Don't confuse sociopathy (which it isn't clear that he was) with psychosis (which he definitely wasn't).
Saddam's past conduct has been brutal, but always rational. He only invaded Kuwait because he thought he had a US OK for it. He absolutely **** himself once he realized he didn't.
He once had a dream of being the big man in the Arab world. That dream died in Kuwait, and he, like everyone else, knew it was dead forever.
You accuse Saddam of being crazy with no evidence. He is a brute, but that doesn't make him a lunatic, especially where self-preservation is concerned. As I said, his conduct has been entirely rational - brutal, but rational. You show me where it wasn't.
This is what your argument boils down to: "Saddam is another Hitler".
No. Hitler was really good at being an aggressive tyrant. Saddam is a perennial loser. Still, they both had moustaches, and that is probably enough for the righties, given their standard of proof.
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:31
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Originally posted by Agathon
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KH used to go on at length about how he couldn't refine the stuff. |
He was right. It takes enough power to supply a small city to power the process and people would notice.
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Lastly, the guy is sociopathic. Only a moron tries to reason out what a sosiopath is going to do. The man possessed not a single jot of compassion, or understanding. He, and his ego were all that mattered. |
Like all sociopaths, he cared about himself and staying alive. Don't confuse sociopathy (which it isn't clear that he was) with psychosis (which he definitely wasn't).
Saddam's past conduct has been brutal, but always rational. He only invaded Kuwait because he thought he had a US OK for it. He absolutely **** himself once he realized he didn't.
He once had a dream of being the big man in the Arab world. That dream died in Kuwait, and he, like everyone else, knew it was dead forever.
You accuse Saddam of being crazy with no evidence. He is a brute, but that doesn't make him a lunatic, especially where self-preservation is concerned. As I said, his conduct has been entirely rational - brutal, but rational. You show me where it wasn't.
This is what your argument boils down to: "Saddam is another Hitler".
No. Hitler was really good at being an aggressive tyrant. Saddam is a perennial loser. Still, they both had moustaches, and that is probably enough for the righties, given their standard of proof. |
And as Kay said, he could have bought the stuff already refined.
Hitler? Who said Hitler? Mao, or Pol Pot, or a Cuban with his own bomb would have been bad enough.
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