24-01-2005 11:30									#31
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but by your logic, playing on grass would favour the grass teams over the dome teams."

Yes, but dome teams are a minority.

	24-01-2005 19:52									#32
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Who watches the actual superbowl? Its all about the commercials.

	24-01-2005 20:01									#33
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Who watches the actual superbowl? Its all about the commercials.

My wife after the Eagles won: "Wow - we'll actually have to watch the game this year instead of just the commercials."

	24-01-2005 20:17									#34
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Who watches the actual superbowl? Its all about the commercials.

If you haven't watched the actual Superbowl in the last 5 years, you've missed out on some great games (2000 - Rams stop the Titans on the one foot line to win, 2001 - Vinateri kicks the Pats to their first SB win in the final seconds over the Rams, 2004 - NE wins a 2nd half shootout over the Panthers).

	24-01-2005 20:19									#35
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A predetermined site makes it easier for people to make reservations in advance. A super bowl can stress accomodations so it's nice to know in advance. And a neutral site is probably best so no team has that big of an advantage.

I also think it would be good if cold weather outdoor sites weren't automatically eliminated from the selection process. I like watching games where it's not 70 degrees and sunny. Why should it be different than most of the regular season games? But I do understand travelling logistics. For most games, the fans live reasonably close so getting to the game in bad weather is possible. But trying to fly in, as most people do for the super bowl, could be easily a problem if the weather turns bad.

And for some sites, the surrounding infrastructure may not be in place to handle the crowds and the air travel. (Green Bay)

But I'd love to see a super bowl in COLD CHICAGO weather.

	24-01-2005 20:54									#36
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Yeah, like you really want more air traffic at O'Hare .

	24-01-2005 21:58									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If you haven't watched the actual Superbowl in the last 5 years, you've missed out on some great games (2000 - Rams stop the Titans on the one foot line to win, 2001 - Vinateri kicks the Pats to their first SB win in the final seconds over the Rams, 2004 - NE wins a 2nd half shootout over the Panthers).

the great thing about the first NE win was they made John Madden look stupid (or stupider ). I never liked Madden. Near the end of the game Madden suggested they should just run the clock out and play for overtime. Wrong answer. NE intead drove the ball down the field and won the game in regulation with a Vinatieri field goal.

Conservative play does not win playoff games. As the Jets and Chargers found out recently.

	25-01-2005 05:38									#38
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get this:

The NFL now says casinos can't use the words superbowl on their marquees. And they can't broadcast the game on tv's larger than 42", can can only use 1 tv.

	25-01-2005 06:03									#39
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I can accept the "Superbowl" thing, but the TV regulation just seems wrong and illegal.

	25-01-2005 06:28									#40
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Agreed, pchang, and that brings up the question of what recourse the NFL plans to take if casinos show the game on multiple TV's. Seems to me that if you get all that money for your event to be broadcast free to the viewer, you take your chances on something like that.

	25-01-2005 06:30									#41
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actually I'm not clear on that tv requirement. I think they can have it on multiple tv's if it is not greater than 42". But only 1 tv is it is greater than 42". something weird like that.

	25-01-2005 06:43									#42
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I think the cold weather games suck, especially in the playoffs. Gameplay suffers and the team that is used to the cold usually wins.

	25-01-2005 06:44									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar I want to see a blizzard Superbowl. That would be so ****ing sweet.

	25-01-2005 06:52									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident actually I'm not clear on that tv requirement. I think they can have it on multiple tv's if it is not greater than 42". But only 1 tv is it is greater than 42". something weird like that.

Well, that's a little more reasonable, but I still wonder what the NFL plans to do if someone shows it on, say, two 60" screens.

	25-01-2005 07:32									#45
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that issue is more about money, than about gambling.

But the NFL in general doesn't like to be associated with my city for moral reasons.

But the superbowl parties have become big, big moneymakers for casinos lately. I think they want a cut of the action.

	25-01-2005 08:29									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident that issue is more about money, than about gambling. But the NFL in general doesn't like to be associated with my city for moral reasons. But the superbowl parties have become big, big moneymakers for casinos lately. I think they want a cut of the action.

But, at the same time, they have injured lists..........

ACK!

	25-01-2005 10:35									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident the great thing about the first NE win was they made John Madden look stupid (or stupider ). I never liked Madden. Near the end of the game Madden suggested they should just run the clock out and play for overtime. Wrong answer. NE intead drove the ball down the field and won the game in regulation with a Vinatieri field goal. Conservative play does not win playoff games. As the Jets and Chargers found out recently.

Look at Madden's winning percentage as a Coach before calling him stupid about gameplay decisions .

	25-01-2005 14:05									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Putting the Superbowl in a Cold weather stadium would be a horrible idea, because severe conditions typically lead to advantages to certain teams. Teams that are already from a cold climate typically have an advantage in cold weather over teams from a warm climate. Blizzards and snow also tend to benefit smash mouth football running teams over passing teams. Now, you can earn the advantage of playing in conditions favorable to your team by winning home field advantage for the playoffs, but it shouldn't come into play for the championship game, which should have little external factors interfering with the game. Of course, the Super Bowl should never be in a dome either. Football is supposed to be played on the grass, and it would give a huge advantage to any Dome team that made into the superbowl.

Well, the dome teams are neatly eliminated in the playoffs with regularity so there's little chance of them sullying the Superbowl with their presence.

As for the good weather thing, I don't agree. Part of football is dealing with the environment you have at hand, and I think it adds a lot to the game. The Superbowl should be available to every NFL city to host. Southern teams have an advantage in hot weather, and Northern teams in the cold. Superbowls will be divided between the two areas, which seems fair.

	25-01-2005 23:43									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Look at Madden's winning percentage as a Coach before calling him stupid about gameplay decisions .

he's still a dinasaur. I fail to see how he could win anything as a coach. I'm thinking the NFL was real weak back in those days. He would have no clue how to face the top defenses we have in the league now days.

	25-01-2005 23:48									#50
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I think the cold weather games suck, especially in the playoffs. Gameplay suffers and the team that is used to the cold usually wins.

Tell it to Green Bay.

	26-01-2005 00:00									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident he's still a dinasaur. I fail to see how he could win anything as a coach. I'm thinking the NFL was real weak back in those days. He would have no clue how to face the top defenses we have in the league now days.

Usually people say it the other way around. The complaint is the NFL is weak TODAY and back then you had the better teams (though I don't believe either).

And he played in a league with the Steelers of the 70s and the Dolphins of the early 70s. Three straight years he was in the Conference Championship before he won his SuperBowl but ran up against the Dolphins or Steelers. Of course, then he went to the Conference Championship the next year, but lost to the Broncoes.

He was one of the best coaches of all time. He coached against some of the best: Landry, Noll, Shula, and he's winning percentage bests them all.

	31-01-2005 02:30									#52
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if anyone cares about the NFL restrictions. I'll post a link. It's actually a sports commentar.

It doesn't only affect our city though. They shut down fans viewing the game in the Patriots stadium big screens during last year's superbowl. And are restricting the cruise ships being brought into Jacksonville this year from hosting parties.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_h...s/25764810.html

	03-02-2005 06:08									#53
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the NFL has now successfully shut down free speech.

They are now saying what the local broadcast stations can air.

Last year my city managed to buy ad time from 5 local stations (New york, SF, LA, Dallas, and Chicago). But now the NFL has shut that down . Unbelievably they can force local television stations what to air during time allotted specifically for loccl ads.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_h...s/25782921.html

	03-02-2005 06:12									#54
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actually I'm glad (Fox in this case, not the NFL) banned this ad:

quote: Many U.S. media outlets last month noted Fox's rejection of a planned Super Bowl ad for Airborne, a natural cold remedy. The ad would have given viewers a brief glimpse of 84-year-old actor Mickey Rooney's rear end, but Fox deemed the ad "inappropriate for broadcast," USA Today reported.

I have no desire to see Mickey Rooney's ass.