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Commy
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St. Louis, MO, USA
Mar 2004
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I'm new to this thread, but I'm going with that...
Higher living standards means you need less kids on the farm, and greater chances of the first one living...
Condoms, honestly, are useless...
Those kids in Africa, they aren't accidents, they're necessary for the survival of the family...condoms will just go to waste, they don't solve the problem...
If anybody needs to be using condoms, its the Chinese, because the freaking commies over there won't let them have children...
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Heresson
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of frogs
Jun 2000
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Hey Ben, want to put this in practise?
I have sex with a HIV infexted woman AND a condom, you have sex with an HIV infected woman and say a prayer.
Whaddya say... Are we on? |
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
I can't believe you actually said that.  Are you being ridiculous? Tell me you are joking? Condom use leads to an increase in the number of partners? I think not. You need to seriously re-examine your deluded beliefs. |
Good catholic sleeps with his wife only.
And, recently, it was said that if the wife/husband has AIDS, using condoms may be allowed.
But otherwise - no. Shipping condoms to Africa just encourages people to f... more and more. And when they'll run out of condoms, they won't stop.
Catholic morality is the best weapon against AIDS problem.
And if someone catholic does not respect catholic teachings in the matters of adultery, why do You think He'll respect catholic teachings in the matter of anticonception?
It's not catholic teaching that's failing here, it's selective use of it, or lack of it, that does.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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"How Jews blend three cultures with Asian adoptions
JOSHUA BRANDT
Bulletin Staff
When Rabbi Miriam Senturia decided to adopt a child, her obvious route was through China.
"At a certain point, it didn't make sense to wait until I had found a partner to be a mom," said the 43-year-old Mill Valley resident. "And as a feminist, it was very poignant for me that the majority of babies available for adoption in China were girls." "
http://www.jewishsf.com/bk000825/1badoptions.shtml
Be afraid, be very afraid.
http://www.interfaithfamily.com/art...e54/kress.phtml
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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(06/28/2000) Print this Article Send this article
Year Of The Swan
Once ‘ugly ducklings’ abandoned by birth parents, Chinese girls are enriching the lives of hundreds of Jewish families here. The struggle to balance two ancient cultures.
Elicia Brown - Staff Writer
In a small city in southwestern China, Rabbi Mark Sameth eyed the precious bundle in his arms and began to sing. He had chanted the melody many times before from his Westchester pulpit, but now he hummed the notes softly and slowly, hoping the music would comfort the Chinese baby he had met just minutes before — the child who would thereafter be his daughter.
“It was like a dream, it was so unbelievably beautiful,” says Rabbi Sameth, 46, pausing to control his emotions as he recalled the spring day he and his wife, Tali Havazelet, 41, first held Liana Xiao Feng Sameth.
The magic of that Jewish melody hasn’t faded since the Sameths brought Liana home to their Upper West Side apartment. At 2, Liana still becomes heavy with sleep when her father begins the tune.
Now a toddler of many talents, Liana can sing her own songs, “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star,” for example, in Mandarin Chinese. She can also recite some days of the week — Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday — as well as “Habdalah,” the interval Jewish adults call Havdalah, marking the end of Shabbat.
Liana is one of hundreds of little girls in the metropolitan area who will be reared with a deep knowledge of two ancient heritages that share an affection for food, family and scholarship but can sharply differ in style. (Think of chopsticks and chopped liver.) She is part of a select group that marks three New Year’s, a member of an almost entirely female flock that will become, as one parent describes it, “a whole new tribe of Jews.”
It is not the first time that the Jewish and Chinese paths have intimately intersected. A Jewish community settled in Kaifeng as early as the 10th century and was swallowed up by intermarriage, not persecution. By World War II, some 20,000 Jews, mainly refugees of Nazi-occupied Europe, frequented a network of synagogues and schools in Shanghai. Today, small ex-pat Jewish communities have sprouted again in the business center as well as in Beijing.
But arguably, this is the first time these kinds of close bonds are being forged in such a deliberate manner, and in this hemisphere.
In liberal, highly educated enclaves such as Manhattan’s Upper West Side and Brooklyn’s Park Slope, Caucasian families pushing strollers of adopted Chinese daughters has become an increasingly familiar sight since the early ‘90s, when China relaxed its adoption policy. The United States issued 17,586 Chinese orphan immigrant visas between 1995 and 1999, according to the Web site of Holt International Children’s Services.
The vast majority of the visas go tottle girls abandoned by birth parents in response to the country’s restrictive population policies selected by the Chinese government for adoption, the girls typically spend several months to a year in orphanage care before entering the eager embrace of adults from the other side of the world.
For the new parents, the moment often arrives after overcoming the dark news of infertility, completing forms for two governments, shelling out roughly $20,000 and passing an anxious year of waiting.
With China and Russia competing in recent years as the most popular country of origin for international adoption, and adoption figures approaching 3 percent of Jewish children in the U.S., according to the 1990 National Jewish Population Study,the Chinese wave of adoption is visibly rippling through the Jewish community.
“Literally if you looked around you would have thought for sure that Queen Esther was Chinese,” says Dina Rosenfeld, a Jewish community educator at the Jewish Childcare Association for the Ametz Adoption program, recalling a recent Purim party co-sponsored by the agency, the JCC of the Upper West Side and West End Synagogue.
Rosenfeld notes that adopting healthy, biologically Jewish babies from any country is “beyond difficult”; it’s a surefire way of not becoming parents, since there are so few available.
International adoption appeals to some families for its greater predictability in timing and cost compared to the domestic route. It also eliminates what can be a complicating factor: biological parents. In domestic adoption, according to Rosenfeld, the adoptive family usually develops a relationship with the birth mother while she is pregnant, and there are no guarantees she won’t back out at the last minute — or reappear on the scene years later.
Positive stereotyping of Asians, says Rosenfeld, drive some Jewish parents to China. Chinese children are also known to arrive in a healthier condition than their Russian counterparts, who sometimes suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome. And for some Jews, there’s also the mysterious allure of the East. Jew-Bu’s, after all, have been searching for enlightenment since the ’60s.
Mostly still preschoolers, the Chinese-Jewish girls here are grappling with the Ma Nishtanah on Passover and learning the blessings over Shabbat candles. Many parents have dealt with conversion and naming ceremonies, and for hints of the future they turn to an older wave of Asian adoption, such as Korean girls adopted in the ‘70s and ‘80s now celebrating bat mitzvahs and weddings.
To some parents, dating seems a long way off, but as one father puts it, “I’m envious of the Jewish boys of their generation. They have a lot of cute Asian girls to chose from.”
Weaving two rich traditions into a limited time frame can be overwhelming. One parent laments, “We’re holidayed out.” But for others, the challenge presents an opportunity for creativity.
When Lori Phillipson, 46, traveled to Shanghai earlier this spring to meet her adoptive daughter, she purchased a swath of gold silk, which she plans to turn into a tallit for her daughter’s bat mitzvah. At the baby-naming ceremony for Liana (“I’ve been answered” in Hebrew) Xiao Feng (“small maple” in Chinese), Rabbi Sameth and Havazelet passed out booklets affixed with Chinese red paper cutouts of dragons and trees, and declared their intentions to raise Liana with “a love of Torah and of her Chinese heritage.”
For Chinese New Year, Susanne Rostock, 51, and her daughter Anjette, 41/2, made kreplach rather than dumplings, conjuring up memories of Rostock’s Danish Jewish grandmother as they pressed glasses into the dough. And Evan and Freda Eisenberg brought a Chinese gong to drown out Haman’s name during the Megillah reading.
Most, but not all parents, pour enormous energy into affirming their children’s Far Eastern roots, often signing up for Chinese language classes themselves.'
I somehow DONT think this is what the Chinese Communist Party had in mind when they adopted the one child policy - but isnt it delicious how policies have unintended consequences??
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