05-02-2005 08:54									#31
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If you think that the argument that the Modo Doctrine extends from pactmate bases as well will hold up diplomatically with the Morganites, then go for it. I suppose it would be nice to make sure that ship doesn't harass our coasts anyway.

What's got me really worried is the prospect that the Morganites could feasibly acquire the CDF. And then there's the possibility of a 3 vs. 1 developing, which seems to be becoming more likely each turn, judging from the Gaian's recent overtures. And now there's the fact that the Morganites have contacted the others.

We must not delay too long in launching the second and final assault on Morgan after the inital raid. We need to complete our domination of Morgania before the Gaians or Angels can meaningfully intervene.

	05-02-2005 10:34									#32
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Hmm

Something wierd happening - i can't move half of the units (eg, the colony pod outside Argos, nor the trannie approaching it

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	05-02-2005 10:44									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac The synthmetal sentinels of Tegea Harbour has disappeared (causing a drone riot on top of it ). Caused by the University scrapping their unit design I guess?? - weird bug

Hmm indeed - I started that turn with a riot, but that was only 'cos the scout was out destroying the road - now I'm showing policed citizens (but fake drones in the screen readout - but not with the psych pic)

	05-02-2005 10:48									#34
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Hmm - and while I was able to move the Invincible and pop the pod on the Gaian coastline, I couldn't move the new cruiser at Messena

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	05-02-2005 10:56									#35
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(don't get too excited by this as I seem to have a buggy turn, with half the units unable to be moved, so may have to replay it, but I did pop a missile speeder completion .................)

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	05-02-2005 12:04									#36
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As the midturn.sav a few posts above seems to be OK, I've suggested to Drogue that someone else takesd up the turn from there and plays it out.

I think the problem I'm having is with the "wait" command that puts a unit to the end of the unit cycle for movement - with me it seems to be reading it as a "turn complete" action.

I tried a reload of the save, and repeated my previous actions that did work (loading R-112 onto the Pegasus, the probe team at MT reboarding the Mercury-class cruiser transport, etc) but a new set of frozen units appeared - all the formers and crawlers had "turn complete" against them even altho I moved none.

Yjis is reminiscient of the turn a few weeks ago when jtsisyoda commented on a Sparta reload, although there was none.

It's looking like I need to uninstall and re-install smac/x

	05-02-2005 15:01									#37
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I hope the midturn save IS ok, and we can get on with it.

Maniac, I think the Amphibious Infantry without armour (1 defense) is a brillant idea. But anything that goes inland needs to be either extremely fast, or well defended (Plasma). Armoured Rovers don't seem very useful, except if from pod pops. I don't think we can afford the cheapest units, except as support. Plus, it wouldn't be very Spartan to use less sophisticated tools.

As to the question, which ones to build, I'd say the ones better timed to our production. Meaning, whatever the given base does more efficient (wasting less Minerals without rushing).

	05-02-2005 17:35									#38
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Considering the Morganite foil, I'd say: "Kill it!"

My case:
1) We don't need any excuse or explanation to give for that: we are in vendetta! Our message then could be "Seeing that you seem reluctant to give us the right price for the SCC Hunter, we have decided to pay us directly on your ships until we feel satisfied." Thus, they'll think we only threaten their fleet and want to rule the waves." It can also serve to show Gaians and Angels ( provisionally) that we only want a just compensation that the Morganites deny us.

2) It may be only a laser synth foil, but money is not a problem for them and we could suddenly find it upgraded to gatling-plasma steel.

3) Nonobstanding the PTS raid and its success, what will that foil do? It can destroy our most valuable land improvements within fire range, forcing us to divert a vessel to chase it. It can wait and force our cruiser to stay with our transport.

That's my vote.

	05-02-2005 18:16									#39
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quote: Originally posted by vishniac 1) We don't need any excuse or explanation to give for that: we are in vendetta! Our message then could be "Seeing that you seem reluctant to give us the right price for the SCC Hunter, we have decided to pay us directly on your ships until we feel satisfied." Thus, they'll think we only threaten their fleet and want to rule the waves." It can also serve to show Gaians and Angels ( provisionally) that we only want a just compensation that the Morganites deny us.

This is brilliant in it's simplicity.

	05-02-2005 18:55									#40
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Those are very good points vishniac, nicely put, but I am not so sure any more. I think the primary concern right now is whether or not the PTS raid will succeed. Would the Junta agree?

I am honestly beginning to think that not attacking the foil is the best chance we have for this. The less noise we make right now, the better our chances of arriving unannounced. And let's face it, if they figure out our plan, then the raid will fail.

So I would seriously consider trying to dodge the foil...

	06-02-2005 01:43									#41
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So would I be correct to summarize Googlie, Modo and Vishniac are in favour of destroying the Morganite foil, while Zeiter and Snoddasmannen are against? I'm also tending towards dodging the foil, but I guess I'll abstain to prevent an even vote.

	06-02-2005 02:28									#42
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I'm for killing it, giving the explanation vishniac proposed.

	06-02-2005 03:11									#43
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I say "Kill it" - we're Spartans, after all. It threatens us, so we remove the threat. That's what force projection is all about (to quote our Admiral, Commander Primus Pilus)

	06-02-2005 03:54									#44
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Target destroyed.

Here's the updated turn report.

	06-02-2005 03:59									#45
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Let's not forget the turn itself of course!
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	06-02-2005 04:03									#46
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There ye go.

I'll check back in an hour to finish the turn. (Probably just after the deadline though) If someone (Googlie?) wants to finish up before that, go ahead of course!

Edit: Btw, an additional advantage of sinking the Hunter could be that they see our destruction of their laser synthfoil as a general campaign to kill their navy, and not an attempt to hide the discovery of an invasion force. Perhaps they'll then hopefully refrain from boosting Morgan Mussels defence.

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	06-02-2005 04:11									#47
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I think destroying the Hunter could be a pretty good thing. The Morgans won't know which front to defend I'm certainly in favour of the attack.

EDIT: Oh I see you pointed out just that in your edit

	06-02-2005 05:13									#48
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Yes - destroy it.

Their intentions can't be honorable, else they wouldn't be hiding it in the fungus

	06-02-2005 05:25									#49
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Okay, I'm on it.

	06-02-2005 05:52									#50
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............. and it gives Kassi a good argument - Morgan doesn't know in what order we destroyed them, so if we found the Hunter lurking in the fungus just 2 tiles from one of our bases (and I think maybe we should put a probe back in defense there in case there's a 'Gator nearby too) we are entitled to take that as an offensive threat.

Ergo, when we found their laser skimship heading towards a Uni base, we took that as an offensive action as well

	06-02-2005 06:07									#51
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Good points re the diplomatic advantage of sinking the Hunter.

quote: (and I think maybe we should put a probe back in defense there in case there's a 'Gator nearby too)

Yeah you're right. There's one Gator we haven't got a clue what's its location. From its home base's support screen we know it's front is pointing north. Therefore I thought our laser cruiser might spot it, but it didn't. So who knows where it could be.

As for putting probes back in defense, if I'm correct the two probe teams will be teleported back to Minas Tirith immediately after performing a succesful probe operation against the Hive, so we'll only be vulnerable this turn.

Btw, here's a screenie of the Hunter battle.

	06-02-2005 07:02									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac As for putting probes back in defense, if I'm correct the two probe teams will be teleported back to Minas Tirith immediately after performing a succesful probe operation against the Hive, so we'll only be vulnerable this turn.

Ah, yes - I forgot that

All-in-all, a good turn (altho I liked my popping of the missile speeder better than the eventual 75 ec's we got)

But still, 75 ec's isn't too shabby - good for upgrades to missile weapons

	06-02-2005 13:26									#53
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Good turn guys

I don't think I need to remind you that the sea conflicts this turn are the first human vs. human interfactional battles. And we won! Today, I feel like a true Spartan. (cue Anthem)

	06-02-2005 13:43									#54
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My boys did a good job, didn't they?

	07-02-2005 06:54									#55
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Indeed. On behalf of the Junta I am proud to award you the Medal of True Combat Courage, to celebrate our first success in interhuman combat.

Edit: Oh yeah, how about we appoint Lieutenant Primus Pilus as captain of the ship that sunk the SCC Hunter?