06-02-2005 01:06									#31
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I must be the only one this thread that HATED Romeo + Juliet (with DiCaprio and Danes). Doesn't hold a candle to the 1960s Romeo & Juliet with Olivia Hussey.

	06-02-2005 01:11									#32
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I agree with Imran. A good Romeo and Juliet is one in which you want to **** Juliet like a wild animal.

Danes

Hussey

McKellen's Richard III

	06-02-2005 01:15									#33
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Well it wasn't just that . I think it was an attempt to 'MTV-ize' Romeo & Juliet. I'm not sure if it was a good idea to try for the gang war setting .

	06-02-2005 01:37									#34
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Zeffereli's Romeo and Juliet - I didn't like it that much. In fact, I didn't even finish it. Felt sort of stilted to me.

Brannagh's films are great. In Much Ado About Nothing, Emma Thompson NAILS her performance. Really.

I'm looking forwards to Prospero's Books. I just hope it's not pretentious balls.

	06-02-2005 01:43									#35
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Oh, it certainly is pretentious balls. However it's pretentious balls with such panache and visual impact that it carries it off with style.

	06-02-2005 01:44									#36
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Pretentious balls with panache

	06-02-2005 01:46									#37
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Well, I hope it has sufficient quantity of panache then. I am, after all, a self-appointed expert on cinema, and I have seen a great deal of panache in my time.

	06-02-2005 01:52									#38
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Peter Greenaway has never made a film that didn't disappear up his own arse- but, ye Gods he's a genius cinematographer. Every shot is framed like an old master, and he was the first director to really whip the arse off digital video technology.

	06-02-2005 01:54									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Pretentious balls with panache

Oooh, that's good eating. I love sopping up the leftover panache with a piece of bread after the balls are all gone. Mmmm, good.

	06-02-2005 01:55									#40
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Zeffereli's Romeo and Juliet - I didn't like it that much. In fact, I didn't even finish it. Felt sort of stilted to me.

Me too.

	06-02-2005 01:55									#41
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	06-02-2005 01:57									#42
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius I'd say one of the best if not the best is Much Ado About Nothing

it was wonderful

	06-02-2005 01:58									#43
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quote: Emma Thompson NAILS her performance.

Not as well as she nails the gardener's boy in Peter's Friends

"Fill me with your little babies!!!" still makes me chuckle.

	06-02-2005 02:02									#44
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Did anyone see that classic Who's Line Is It Anyway? skit.

It was "World's worst person to audition for Romeo and Juliet.

Tony Slattery won by coming up to the camera with a goatish expression and saying:

"So Juliet's fifteen, is she?"

	06-02-2005 03:09									#45
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quote: I'll pick another Branaugh adaptation, "Hamlet" (1996) His "Henry V" is great as well .

I've seen both. I love his Harry V.

	06-02-2005 03:11									#46
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I haven't seen that 1960 Romeo and Juliet, though.

Given that Aggie and I seem to have similar tastes, I prolly should.

	06-02-2005 04:52									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well it wasn't just that . I think it was an attempt to 'MTV-ize' Romeo & Juliet. I'm not sure if it was a good idea to try for the gang war setting .

I think it was a perfect setting. Quite possibly it was exactly what Shakespeare wanted when he set it in Venice between two rival families. Even the first scene at the gas station comes alive in a modern gang context.

"Do you bite your thumb at us sir?"

Brilliant stuff.

	06-02-2005 05:18									#48
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Bah... utter dreck. I'd rather flush it down the toilet never to be seen again. Then again, it isn't as bad as "The English Patient".

	06-02-2005 05:28									#49
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quote: Given that Aggie and I seem to have similar tastes, I prolly should.

Other than your Neil Diamond avatar, you must be joking.

	06-02-2005 05:48									#50
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I don't think he meant politically

	06-02-2005 07:42									#51
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quote: I don't think he meant politically

Neither did I.

That is Neil, isn't it?

	06-02-2005 13:29									#52
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Nope.

It's a physicist at Cornell, and the fellow of whom I am currently playing in Mafia.

quote: Other than your Neil Diamond avatar, you must be joking.

In women? Our taste run to the same type.

	06-02-2005 14:39									#53
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quote: In women? Our taste run to the same type.

SOB!! I want you banned!!

Ming!!! He accused me of wanting Mariah Carey!!! A worse insult cannot be imagined!!!

	06-02-2005 14:41									#54
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Then who do you like?

	06-02-2005 18:50									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Molly, sometimes you scare me. You wrote that from memory? Wow.

Indeed. I had the good fortune (fortune and men's eyes?) to own nearly all the films I listed.

I missed out on mentioning Trevor Nunn's staging of 'Othello' updated to an American Civil War setting, with Ian McKellen as a truly maleficent Iago, who at times almost seems to understand why he hates the Moor , played by Willard White, so much.

I should also mention the Peggy Ashcroft/Paul Robeson staging, some of which I've seen as clips in documentaries about Shakespeare or theatre, and which apprently featured such a passionate convincing performance from Robeson that members of the audience stood up to warn him about Iago's plotting against him. I imagine it helped that he and Peggy Ashcroft were said to be having an affair....

Unfortunately I was born too late to see what I've heard was one of those stagings you' d give your eye teeth for, like the Georgian version of 'Richard III' or Welles's voodoo 'Macbeth'.

The BBC filmed all of Shakespeare's plays, with mixed degrees of success- Michael Hordern was a suitably barking King Lear, but Antony Hopkins was just plain wrong as Othello. Derek Jacobi did turn in an athletic intellectually convincing Hamlet though.

I much prefer Baz Luhrmann's version of 'Romeo and Juliet' to Zeffirelli's melting chocolate box of a film. Olivia Hussey may look radiant and fragrant, but I believe Luhrmann's version is much closer to the spirit which informs the play. Casual violence and gang warfare were just as much a part of the Elizabethan social scene as any Tex-Mex or Floridian barrio setting.

There was if I recall a Paul Mazursky directed Tempest from the 70s which was just tedious.

I'm fond of Olivier's 'Richard III' but it seems a trifle cartoony now, and his Othello is a little too Minstrel Show via the Caribbean for me. You keep expecting him to burst out singing the Banana Boat song...

Unfortunately due to having to study 'Henry V' intensely at A level I absolutely loathe and detest the play, and would gladly watch American daytime soaps rather than view another staging of it any time soon.

'The Taming of the Shrew' should be taken up, then thrown very hard in an incinerator. Better to watch their performances in the film of Albee's 'Who's Afraid of Virgina Woolf?' where they cut down on the ham content and concentrate on acting.

	06-02-2005 18:54									#56
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I think it was a perfect setting. Quite possibly it was exactly what Shakespeare wanted when he set it in Venice between two rival families. Even the first scene at the gas station comes alive in a modern gang context. "Do you bite your thumb at us sir?" Brilliant stuff.

Verona.

Had it been Venice, Esther Williams would have been great as Juliet, with Johnny Weissmuller a perfect Romeo.

Staging by Busby Berkeley, producer, ah, Kevin Costner. Who did something in a similar vein, I believe...

	06-02-2005 18:54									#57
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I think it was a perfect setting. Quite possibly it was exactly what Shakespeare wanted when he set it in Venice between two rival families. Even the first scene at the gas station comes alive in a modern gang context. "Do you bite your thumb at us sir?" Brilliant stuff.

Verona.

Had it been Venice, Esther Williams would have been great as Juliet, with Johnny Weissmuller a perfect Romeo.

Staging by Busby Berkeley, producer, ah, Kevin Costner. Who did something in a similar vein, I believe...

	06-02-2005 19:04									#58
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McKellan's Richard III is my favorite, the confluence with 1930's fascism is unnerving. Second is Branagh's Henry V.

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	06-02-2005 19:34									#59
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Verona. Had it been Venice, Esther Williams would have been great as Juliet, with Johnny Weissmuller a perfect Romeo. Staging by Busby Berkeley, producer, ah, Kevin Costner. Who did something in a similar vein, I believe...

You sent it twice to emphasize my slip eh ?

Venice, Verona. One of those eye-tie places with a V in't.

	06-02-2005 19:36									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: In women? Our taste run to the same type. SOB!! I want you banned!! Ming!!! He accused me of wanting Mariah Carey!!! A worse insult cannot be imagined!!!

Actually, I was imagining that he was referring to Ann Coulter.