12-02-2005 09:31									#31
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RIP, old buddy. One summer in Finland, I read a few of his plays all at once - what a trip that was. Then I read some Oscar Wilde plays. That was a good Summer.

Tonight, old guy, I'm raising a glass to you.

	12-02-2005 15:39									#32
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Death of A Principled American.


Here's to you Mr. Miller, a big thank you for 'The Crucible' and 'Death of a Salesman' and 'A View From the Bridge' and 'All My Sons'.

	12-02-2005 15:41									#33
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Aren't all Marilyn's paramours dead now?

There'll be squabbles in heaven.

	12-02-2005 15:50									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Aren't all Marilyn's paramours dead now? There'll be squabbles in heaven.

I think there's one or two still living.

It's hardly Miller's most notable achievement though. He wasn't Mr. Monroe.

	12-02-2005 15:51									#35
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quote: It's hardly Miller's most notable achievement though. He wasn't Mr. Monroe.

Gays just don't understand.

	12-02-2005 15:53									#36
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Marilyn Monroe was so ****ing hot!

	12-02-2005 15:55									#37
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A pity that the most frequent memorials to her these days are 200lb transvestite lookalikes.

	12-02-2005 16:07									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: It's hardly Miller's most notable achievement though. He wasn't Mr. Monroe. Gays just don't understand.

At least I acknowledge she was more than a pulchritudinous body and beautiful (if surgically assisted) face.

Intelligent, good looking and a good actress- an admirable foil for an intelligent principled playwright.

	12-02-2005 16:16									#39
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molly bloom,

How does the fact that she was intelligence (that's actually new to me), dispute the fact that she was so frickin' hot?!

	12-02-2005 16:19									#40
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quote: At least I acknowledge she was more than a pulchritudinous body and beautiful (if surgically assisted) face.

So do I. There were breasts attached to the pulchritudinous body.

Seriously, it's the personality with her. It always is for me with women.

	12-02-2005 16:24									#41
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That's why Ana Nicole Smith is not even a close substitute.

	12-02-2005 16:30									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious molly bloom, How does the fact that she was intelligence (that's actually new to me), dispute the fact that she was so frickin' hot?!

It doesn't. But she was indeed very intelligent, and it means there was rather more to her than just a 'nice rack'.


I'll give you an example from my partner's experience- at the Gliding Club, a very good looking woman turned up, young, ripe and full of joie de vivre, with an ample bosom too.

Now most of the males there talked to her breasts when they talked to her. Except for my partner, who addressed her as if she were what she was, another well-qualified glider pilot.


It was at that point that some of the other males realized that Rhys was a big gay homo.

Because obviously only a big gay homo would treat her as though she were a person, not just mammary glands with a head attached.

	12-02-2005 16:36									#43
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Well Marilyn Monroe was definitely not just a 'nice rack.' She had it all. Like Agathon said, her personality was what seperated here from those women who just have nice boobs, or some other lovely physical attributes.

	12-02-2005 16:39									#44
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quote: It was at that point that some of the other males realized that Rhys was a big gay homo. Because obviously only a big gay homo would treat her as though she were a person, not just mammary glands with a head attached.

Yes. Your point is?

	12-02-2005 16:39									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Well Marilyn Monroe was definitely not just a 'nice rack.' She had it all.

Which I believe was my original point, except that people may have perfectly pleasant personalities, and yet not be talented actresses and intelligent too.

I believe we're mostly in agreement, except that I place more emphasis on her achievements in the cinema and as an intelligent (not just personable and good looking) woman.

	12-02-2005 16:44									#46
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quote: Which I believe was my original point, except that people may have perfectly pleasant personalities, and yet not be talented actresses and intelligent too.

But if she doesn't have a nice rack, then who cares?

Sexism

	12-02-2005 16:54									#47
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom I believe we're mostly in agreement, except that I place more emphasis on her achievements in the cinema and as an intelligent (not just personable and good looking) woman.

True, but then physical attraction probably has little to do with the persons achievements, at least not for heterosexual men. A lot of men do just care about the boobs, but that's pretty dumb.

I once introduced a women to a friend of mine. He asked me what she was like. I didn't really know her very well at all, so I could only tell him about her physical attributes. So I said, "well she has big boobs." His eyes lit up. He ended up marrying her, but she is a total *****. He's very unhappy.

	12-02-2005 17:19									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Which I believe was my original point, except that people may have perfectly pleasant personalities, and yet not be talented actresses and intelligent too. But if she doesn't have a nice rack, then who cares? Sexism

quote: Gays just don't understand.

	12-02-2005 17:20									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious molly bloom, How does the fact that she was intelligence (that's actually new to me), dispute the fact that she was so frickin' hot?!

By today's standards she'd be considered to be too fat and wouldn't stand a chance to ever "make" it.

	12-02-2005 17:22									#50
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IIRC we studied one of his plays at school...can't remember which one or much about it.

	12-02-2005 19:56									#51
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quote: Originally posted by alva By today's standards she'd be considered to be too fat and wouldn't stand a chance to ever "make" it.

I think that says more about today's standards than it does about Marilyn.

And I think it's also a bit amusing that while most people did remember to also praise Miller's work, half the posts so far have been more concerned with Marilyn.

Including this one. We may inadvertently have given the answer to which of his to major fields of achievement was the most impressive.

	12-02-2005 20:27									#52
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quote: I think that says more about today's standards than it does about Marilyn.

Ohh, certainly, wasn't implying otherwise.

Curved hips