12-02-2005 12:42									#31
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DS9's finale was good, but it lost much during the second part (too many goodbye scenes IMO). TNG was great Voyager was....hm....at least it was a real ending.

I saw X-Files as well, and was also very disappointed. But then I think its last season was rather weak anyway. Same with B5. Great series, weak endings.

	12-02-2005 12:44									#32
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Yeah DS9 definately stumbled.

Sisko went through all that Emissary rigamorole, took on quests, went trials, etc., for what?

So he could push someone off a cliff?

	12-02-2005 12:52									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant Quantum Leap's last episode was pretty crappy. After about a million episodes starting with the narrator saying that Sam Beckett was trying to get home... "Sam Beckett never stopped leaping..." ****ing hell!

That was a great ending story arc... who wants to see all these farking happy endings. Something bad happens to a main character in a series. More power to 'em.

Oh, and I will also defend the Seinfeld last episode. Classic Seinfeld, paying homage to all the secondary characters the show had, which made the show what it was. Also after seasons and seasons of the characters being jerks and no horrible consequences arising from it (making it all the more funny), they finally get their pounding. Very fitting ending.

	12-02-2005 12:54									#34
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Blackadder Goes Forth

Futurama's final episode is good, but not great.

Duckman's final episode is interesting.

	12-02-2005 13:14									#35
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Oh, as for good final episodes, "Frasier" was amazingly good

	12-02-2005 14:23									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Last episode of Sienfeld was a disappointment... Last episode of M*A*S*H out-and-out sucked... Last episodes of the Mary Tyler Moore Show and Cheers are the gold standard for saying goodbye to well-loved characters... Last episode of St. Elsewhere set the standard for surprise endings... Last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth is the best 30 minutes in the history of television...

what! the last episode of Seinfeld was great. Would you have rather it been a sappy ending? It was fitting for the type of show. Though I disliked the clips, because I'm not a big fan of clip shows.

	12-02-2005 14:24									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ming The last episode of the Second Bob Newhart series, when he wakes up in bed with his wife from the first series was the GOLD STANDARD of last episodes, and will never be beat

It was also my favourite of his shows. Larry, Daryll, and Daryll rocked!

	12-02-2005 14:27									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui That was a great ending story arc... who wants to see all these farking happy endings. Something bad happens to a main character in a series. More power to 'em. Oh, and I will also defend the Seinfeld last episode. Classic Seinfeld, paying homage to all the secondary characters the show had, which made the show what it was. Also after seasons and seasons of the characters being jerks and no horrible consequences arising from it (making it all the more funny), they finally get their pounding. Very fitting ending.

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	12-02-2005 14:28									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Oh, as for good final episodes, "Frasier" was amazingly good

another classy ending.

	12-02-2005 14:51									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar TNG was kind of boring because it never really "ended" the series. I had serious issues with Voyager, which I will not go into.

I think it really depends on the premise of the series. In M*A*S*H, The X-Files, DS9 and Voyager -- hell, Glligan's Island, for that matter -- definitive endpoints were suggested from the start of the series; there was an endpoint that could be defined by the nature of the story.

Other series, such as Seinfeld, ST:TOS and TNS, were far more open-ended in nature, and by no means required "closure". That Seinfled actually had "closure" dosen't change this.

	12-02-2005 17:40									#41
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I thought the final episode of NewsRadio was the best of any series. It just seemed really suitable tied things up but still left it open, and was hilarious.

	12-02-2005 21:35									#42
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Maybe X-Files was sort of disappointing... but I am such a huge fan of the show that I still love it. I just knew beforehand that the final episode is not going to be for hardcore viewers, but sorta for casual viewers too, so I expected a clip show. Then again, not all of the episode was a clip show. And there were many parts about it done in an amazing way, something that only the X-Files do. I would have liked it more if it were a hardcore episode, but it's fine the way it was. Oh, and being the final episode, it was almost a religious event to me.

	12-02-2005 22:06									#43
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The Man show where the two good hosts left and the two crap hosts came in.

	12-02-2005 22:23									#44
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Last episode of Seinfeld was good. Don't knock it.

	12-02-2005 22:54									#45
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Yeah DS9 definately stumbled. Sisko went through all that Emissary rigamorole, took on quests, went trials, etc., for what? So he could push someone off a cliff?

No, so winn could die helping Sisko could fall off a cliff while pushing someone off a cliff! evilgrin:

Yeah, those few minutes could have been better, but I enjoyed it, mostly because the last 10+ episodes of the series had been well done as it gained momentum towards the end of the series and had closed off so many of the various loose ends that could have easily been forgotten.

Anyway, it's not like the "temporal instability was really going backwards in time" in the TNG finale wasn't telegraphed really early on, yet we had to we had to put up with Picards slowly trying to figure out what the problem was. Also, I'm not the biggest Q fan.

	12-02-2005 23:10									#46
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B5 last ep: Not as bad as some have said. I quite enjoyed it myself. Having said that, apparently the original idea was Sinclair to have been the captain of B5 all the way through and then travel back in time and become Valen at the end of the series. Now that would've been a great ending.

Voyager: Crap. The batmobile Voyager was rather silly.

DS9: Final fight was a bit silly

Quantum Leap: Great! Like someone else has said, who wants happy endings all the time? It was a wonderfully sad ending

X-Files: Stopped watching after season 3 when it became apparent the creators had no idea what the story was. I read the synopsis of the last ep, which was a real waste of time. I'd glad I didn't watch it.

	12-02-2005 23:19									#47
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Several seasons ago there was a brief series called "The Others". It was about a group of people with various psychic powers brought together by a college professor initially as a support group, they had beguin to help people with problems involving the occult. Generally I don't like shows about psychic and occult stuff, but what made this show work in my view was the diversity of the group and how they, each having unique powers, worked together. As the season progressed they became aware that an evil power was attempting to oppose them. Unfortunately the show's ratings tanked, so it was cancelled. In the final show the entire group was murdered one by one by the evil power. By the end of the show you sorta got the message that it wasn't going to be back in the fall.

	12-02-2005 23:36									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Several seasons ago there was a brief series called "The Others".

Excellent show.

quote: In the final show the entire group was murdered one by one by the evil power. By the end of the show you sorta got the message that it wasn't going to be back in the fall.

Yep. Although from what I've read, they intended that to be the season finale before they ever knew the show was cancelled, and that the writers had some idea what they would do if the show was renewed.

	13-02-2005 04:36									#49
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk You mean the final episode of the time-condensed and very nearly final fourth season, or the final episode of the poorly executed mostly-filler was the final but should not have been fifth season?

I have to choose?

I say the, "Let's take a stroll through future Human history and make sh*t up" episode that ends with Sol going nova(!) and blowing Earth to bits while Vorlonish Humans bid adieu to an awful final episode. I realize that B5 was meant to run only five years, that's how the creators envisioned the series, but that was an atrocious way to end it.

	13-02-2005 04:44									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Maybe X-Files was sort of disappointing... but I am such a huge fan of the show that I still love it. I just knew beforehand that the final episode is not going to be for hardcore viewers, but sorta for casual viewers too...

You have GOT to be kidding me. The only people watching season nine were the hardcore viewers... to base their final episode upon the idea that there's going to be gaggles of "casual viewers" all of a sudden tuning in was to deny the reality of what was happening to the show and its audience.

For the people in the X-Files discussion group that Laura and I participated in, the final episode was a religious event too - "Thank God its finally over!"

Few shows in the history of American TV suffered the sort of decline in quality that the X-Files did. It was like watching a slow-motion trainwreck, one that just (seemingly) never ended.

	13-02-2005 04:44									#51
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"Lost" just started on Swedish TV. Episode 3 will run next week. The papers say ther's 22 episodes. Is that all, or will this be just another never-ending story? I want TV series to end, otherwise there's no reason to watch them. It would feel like Groundhog Day.

	13-02-2005 04:45									#52
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Am I still the only person to of mentioned Farscape?

	13-02-2005 04:48									#53
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In retrospect, Farscape's wasn't-actually-the final episode was great. Quite the bastardly thing to kill the 2 main characters in such a grisly manner. If you think your show as you've done it is never returning to the air, kill it good and dead. Have fun with it.

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I wouldn't mind them dying, but the last show just sucked in every regard. Although having them just randomly get killed by a completely unknown alien kinda sucks, too.

	13-02-2005 05:05									#55
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Although having them just randomly get killed by a completely unknown alien kinda sucks, too.

Actually... that was pretty typical of Farscape.

I liked the "it wasn't really the last" episode.

	13-02-2005 05:13									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Actually... that was pretty typical of Farscape.

Well, maybe... if it was done better.

	13-02-2005 06:18									#57
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Oh come on... that was classic Farscape

	13-02-2005 06:36									#58
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs I have to choose? I say the, "Let's take a stroll through future Human history and make sh*t up" episode that ends with Sol going nova(!) and blowing Earth to bits while Vorlonish Humans bid adieu to an awful final episode. I realize that B5 was meant to run only five years, that's how the creators envisioned the series, but that was an atrocious way to end it.

they went over to "NEW and IMPROVED" earth, didn't you hear?

	13-02-2005 07:44									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ming The last episode of the Second Bob Newhart series, when he wakes up in bed with his wife from the first series was the GOLD STANDARD of last episodes, and will never be beat

That was a great ending. Didn't the show Step-by-Step steal that ending? Patrick Duffy played Frank Lambert in that series. I think I remember an episode, then end of which had Frank Lambert waking up and going to the shower, only to find that instead of Suzanne Summers (his wife from Step-by-Step) being in the shower its Victoria Principal (his wife from Dallas). I thought that it was a tribute to both the Newhart finale as well as to Dalls, as Victoria Principal found Patrick Duffy in the shower after she dreamed that he had been shot.

Don't ask me why I know about Dallas and both Bob Newhart series. I don't know why... I'm only 22.

	13-02-2005 08:41									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff That was a great ending. Didn't the show Step-by-Step steal that ending? Patrick Duffy played Frank Lambert in that series. I think I remember an episode, then end of which had Frank Lambert waking up and going to the shower, only to find that instead of Suzanne Summers (his wife from Step-by-Step) being in the shower its Victoria Principal (his wife from Dallas). I thought that it was a tribute to both the Newhart finale as well as to Dalls, as Victoria Principal found Patrick Duffy in the shower after she dreamed that he had been shot. Don't ask me why I know about Dallas and both Bob Newhart series. I don't know why... I'm only 22.

Wasn't that a Family Guy episode?