15-02-2005 03:05									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus At least you still have new episodes to look forward to (heck, you're only halfway through). I have to wait a whole year...

It's an interesting position to be behind the overseas viewers. Usually its you guys that are yelling and screaming for us to stop talking about a show or on the flip side begging for spoilers.

	15-02-2005 03:16									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I loved how they actually had Starbuck in the infirmary like she actually had an injury instead of healing her for the next episode.

It's actually gonna take pretty much the rest of the season for her to make a full recovery (though of course she won't be spending all that time in a hospital bed)

quote: It's an interesting position to be behind the overseas viewers. Usually its you guys that are yelling and screaming for us to stop talking about a show or on the flip side begging for spoilers.

Nah, that was years ago. Thank god for high-speed internet connections

	15-02-2005 04:06									#33
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Why did you guys get it first, anyways?

	15-02-2005 04:30									#34
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat I think it is exactly like "Harvey" in Farscape.

If only scorpie could have implanted number 6 instead of "Harvey" I suspect JC might never have complained

	15-02-2005 04:45									#35
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Okay, I just read the next seven episodes. Wow!

	15-02-2005 05:00									#36
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This is the first Sci fi show that has had me exited in a long time as far as quality writing. Finally someone figured out that special effects are cool and all but story lines are essential. That and I'm digging the pace of the show.

Che: Im resisting the urge to look ahead. I want to be surprised. Hope I can make it. I'm definitly getting the DVD of the season when it comes out later

	15-02-2005 07:04									#37
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I'm considering subscribing to a bittorrent group just to download all the episodes.

	16-02-2005 10:52									#38
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I've been reading the sci fi channel boards and the old school BG fans are still foaming at the mouth at all the changes and I can't for the life of me understand how they think the original was better than the new one. Now there are a few things that bother me about the new one but those problems don't center around starbuck being a female or the omission of some characters. But for the old school fans its like the creators and writers of the new show came in and raped their sisters and mother. The constant feeling I had with watching the original show was a feeling of disappoinment. It had such a cool premise (itself borrowed from many other ideas) but always failed to live up to expectations. Different strokes I suppose.

	16-02-2005 11:08									#39
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I don't particularly object to the changes in the new series but I guess I just don't see many of them as being too relevant.
A big deal has been made about Starbuck in particular being female - supposedly from the precept of modernizing the original show to modern standards.
Realistically though the original was ahead of its time anyway - Athena was a qualified shuttle pilot and flew them in combat situations much like the new Boomer, and after the original introduced Sheba, a few episodes in, they had a female fighter pilot as a major character as well.

It just seems a bit contrived, similar to the first episode of Voyager from memory ... I had no objection to introducing female starship captains or multi-ethnic vulcans but why the heck did the flippin' writers have to take such great pains to point it out in the dialogue?

Shades of some of those old batman reruns with the sidekick being lectured on traffic safety and buckling seatbelts ...

	16-02-2005 15:52									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael Why did you guys get it first, anyways?

SciFi struck a deal with the British Sky Channel: in exchange for giving them premiere rights, Sky would chip in on the production costs. SciFi couldn't/wouldn't afford those on its own.

quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I've been reading the sci fi channel boards and the old school BG fans are still foaming at the mouth at all the changes and I can't for the life of me understand how they think the original was better than the new one.

IMNSHO some people just seem to enjoy b*tching and moaning for the sake of it. You'll find such people for any tv show that runs longer than 2-3 seasons...

Don't get me wrong, I can see how some people might not like this show (different strokes indeed), but it's ridiculous to make a big deal out of characters undergoing a gender change or being added/left out, etc.

quote: A big deal has been made about Starbuck in particular being female - supposedly from the precept of modernizing the original show to modern standards.

Ron Moore (the creative genius behind the show) has said that the main reason for making some characters female is to add more tension to the show, specifically more tensions between the characters. In spite of maybe being somewhat ahead of its time, the original show was still very much male-dominated, making it impossible to add (intimate) relationships as an integral part of the show (unless they would be homosexual in nature, but that's still a bit too far ahead of our time for an American audience). And (potential) relationships are a key component of the new show: Baltar-Six, Starbuck-Zack, Starbuck-Apollo, Boomer-Tyrol, Boomer-Helo, Dualla-Billy, etc (there are others but if you're looking for spoilers you're not getting them from me )

	16-02-2005 16:03									#41
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Can't see it here, couldn't even find it on dvd Sucks. I just hope it hasn't anything (except name & background) in common with the original show.

	16-02-2005 16:07									#42
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I downloaded all the episodes over Bittorrent (no TV), and my conclusion after seeing 1x13 was that it took some big steel balls to leave an ending like that without having the second season confirmed.

quote: Originally posted by pchang The series depicts the Cylons to be at an overwhelming advantage. Why do they bother with subterfuge? The whole plot line on Caprica makes no sense? Why bother trying to fool that one guy? Even if he got on a ship, he wouldn't know how to get back to the fleet. In addition, why use up Cylon plants within the fleet on suicide bombing missions? They should just figure out a way to notify the Cylons of their location. Constant attacks were coing pretty close to destroying the fleet in that first episode. Just keep it up.

You're assuming that the Cylons want to destroy the humans. Every single thing that the Cylons do has a very specific purpose, though we don't know what that purpose is. They almost never make mistakes, though some of their deliberate actions seem like mistakes. A good example is episode 7, which is rife with extremely subtle Cylon manipulations (and is a fun episode, to boot, plus Number Six gets naked).

Interestingly, Ron Moore also produced Star Treks DS9 and TNG, and wrote a few dozen episodes for those shows. He also wrote First Contact and Generations (solely, if you exclude the Wonder Twins' contributions). It's nifty to see his genre material outside of the Star Trek universe. He also did G vs. E, but nobody except me cares about that.

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Can't see it here, couldn't even find it on dvd Sucks. I just hope it hasn't anything (except name & background) in common with the original show.

Well, you could download them, if you have a decent net connection. Since Supernova went down around Christmas, you may have some trouble finding the earlier episodes on BitTorrent, but I'm guessing they should be available through Emule, Kazaa, etc as well by now (though possibly not in the same quality that BT offers).

	16-02-2005 16:35									#44
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The Suprnova mirror has the earlier torrents.

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	16-02-2005 16:39									#45
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Oh thx, will see.....

	18-02-2005 04:35									#46
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Apparently there will be 20 episodes next season instead of 13. I'm hoping this is as sign that they had so much planned that they needed extra episodes and chose not to rush it.

	18-02-2005 04:38									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus IMNSHO some people just seem to enjoy b*tching and moaning for the sake of it. You'll find such people for any tv show that runs longer than 2-3 seasons... .

That's pretty much what I got from it to

	18-02-2005 04:56									#48
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I thought the Starbuck-marooned-on-the-planet episode was the weakest so far, but still wasn't bad. I've heard many consider it the weakest of the entire season, so that's a good sign!

The last episode was very good, although the over-zealous sergeant was a bit ham-handed in execution. Her stridency was just too shrill to be convincing. I wish they had established her character a bit more in previous episodes to make that pay off better. That, and they should have found a better actress.

But 20 episodes next season? W00t!

	18-02-2005 05:55									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The last episode was very good, although the over-zealous sergeant was a bit ham-handed in execution. Her stridency was just too shrill to be convincing. I wish they had established her character a bit more in previous episodes to make that pay off better. That, and they should have found a better actress.

I wasn't too keen on the actress either. It seemed like the character was out for more than finding out who was responsible, almost like there were some things left out of previous episodes. Perhaps she was pissed that Tyrol may have been tring to shift the blame more to here about the missing explosives but there just seemed to be some hostility that wasn't explained good enough.

	18-02-2005 10:45									#50
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I think she was just pissed off because nobody ever listens to her. She seemed pretty shocked when she was allowed to carry out her investigation.

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	19-02-2005 09:28									#51
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Did anyone see tonight's episode? The battlestar galatica has toilets and toilet paper!!! that in my opinion is a classic scene in science fiction tv!

	19-02-2005 09:31									#52
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They had an episode of B5 with the men taking leaks in urinals.

Hmmm, toilet paper . . . it's the little things you're gonna miss while on the run from the Cylons.

	19-02-2005 10:27									#53
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Oh really? I never watched B5, the few episodes I saw always had the telepathic police or whatever being ******, and that turned me off to the show.

I wonder how much toilet paper reserves the fleet has

	19-02-2005 12:06									#54
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In episode 8, they finish setting up the bidets just before they run out.

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	19-02-2005 12:22									#55
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quote: Originally posted by korn469 Oh really? I never watched B5, the few episodes I saw always had the telepathic police or whatever being ******, and that turned me off to the show.

They were character development that was important along the way, sometimes; and a complete waste of space in others. They were the slower episodes.

B5 was still the greatest epic scifi to ever hit TV.

	19-02-2005 14:51									#56
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If you ignore the poor special effects, the lame writing and directing, the bad acting, and everything else except for the story. And those are surprisingly easy to ignore; the story manages to pull everything else up to make it the best SF series ever (if you discount Firefly, and probably BSG in a season or two).

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	19-02-2005 20:35									#57
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Firefly wasn't around long enough to qualify.

	19-02-2005 21:00									#58
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I have to admit, BSG is getting better than it was in the beginning. (beginning of the series, which sucked, because the miniseries was awesome)

	19-02-2005 21:01									#59
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What are you talking about? 33 was brilliant!

	19-02-2005 21:16									#60
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BTW, just curious - is the new BSG all about Humans and Cylons only or are there other Aliens too?