17-02-2005 02:33									#31
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Hum. I accidentally attacked a sub, sunk it, and 25 minutes later after staring at a blank screen, I was informed that "We have destroyed the Fledging Soviets"

All Modo's cities have been destroyed. Maybe it was the red october I sank..

So.. I think there might be a bug with using Hidden Nationality with Subs, and I suggest we turn that option off and I'll try again.

But for the record, that's NATO 1, Warsaw PACT 0.

Last edited by Moonbars on 17-02-2005 at 02:40

	17-02-2005 02:43									#32
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Oh, bugger. That was the fastest defeat so far.

EDIT: Posted a version without Hidden Nationality for Subs. Please make sure to turn off the victory points, regicide, and other "funny" (read: buggy) stuff.


I think we should start out about historically. That means the NATO and the SEATO working together, and China and the Warsaw Pact looking like they are working together . Later we can play as it comes, although I would discourage a Republic having good relations with a Communist.

As to the said historical aggression, that is partly out of our hands. You know the AI - they might do strange things.

Last edited by Modo44 on 17-02-2005 at 02:49

	17-02-2005 02:50									#33
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Okay, I don't want to hamstrung myself, but should I let Japanese cities build military units?

I agree that SEATO should allow NATO units to base in Japan and elsewhere. That would be historically accurate. I got the general idea of what we are trying to do.

	17-02-2005 02:56									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Okay, I don't want to hamstrung myself, but should I let Japanese cities build military units?

Only if you want to. I will not require everyone to try and repeat history. I mean, I play the Warsaw Pact - the ones that lost.

quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner I agree that SEATO should allow NATO units to base in Japan and elsewhere. That would be historically accurate. I got the general idea of what we are trying to do.

That too aplies only if you want to. What I meant the most, was putting the original alliances to a test, by not making them forced.

Posted the updated scenario. Hopefully it will work this time.

	18-02-2005 09:28									#35
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Okay thanks Modo. It's perfectly clear now. I'm anxious to get started!!!!!

	18-02-2005 11:34									#36
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i'll go through all my cities again tonight and get the save out for the weekend

	18-02-2005 13:09									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Yes, the first will be a very long turn. Take your time.

	20-02-2005 03:39									#38
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Looking forward to this one. I expect the saves will take awhile, but we have reliable players. Moonbars - don't worry about your availability. I don't see this as a lightning game.

As to rolpelay and game restrictions - all I was suggesting was that I act line the Chairman of Communist China - and not like a Monty Python escapee or something like that. I am not hard core about the roleplay side - but I think it does add flavour and fun. The diplomacy in another age game is a good case in point (right Modo ). So, I for one will act like China.. but I will also act in the best interests of China, historical accuracy aside. I don't think we should be hamstrung by that. We are here to explore how other scenarios and alliances may have played out - so I would say that pretty much anything goes.

Chairman Beta Xi Jiang waits patiently in his office.

Last edited by Beta on 22-02-2005 at 05:28

	20-02-2005 04:20									#39
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Well, I think we should play it with total historical accuraccy

But then I would say that..

	22-02-2005 05:29									#40
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Mod - anything shaking with this game. Hordes of Chinese infantry are ready and waiting....

	22-02-2005 12:47									#41
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I have sat down to play it, but that first turn takes about an hour to *load* on my system. I understand load times will be fine once we are up and running, but bear with me whilst I find enough free time to get the first save out. I've been having PC problems, and have needed to re-install a lot of stuff I need for work, and am behind on said work..

	22-02-2005 12:54									#42
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Ouch. I guess we wait then. As to the loading time, remember not to Alt-Tab out of it. Gets a little faster that way - not much, but useful.

	22-02-2005 23:48									#43
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I've loaded the game a few times and the system requirements are TREMENDOUS.

I just bought a new machine last December (Athlon64 3400+ chip with 1 gig of RAM, latest nVidia card w/ 256 megs) and my system still strains to load this scenario.

As Modo states, once it's loaded, it works fine. We may have to make a rule stating no pillaging roads and/or destroying harbors. Waiting for the system to update the trade network may be prohibitive

	23-02-2005 00:30									#44
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For the first "initialization" turn, you might want to turn off any programs running in the background. I mean as many as you can. Set it up, and let it run. Do not Alt+Tab out of Civ, until the turn is open and you can move your units.

I run a 1.8GHz processor (the name says 2500, but I know they lie ), 512MB RAM. It takes about 5 minutes to initialize this scenario in SP, not much longer to initialize MP. The only really long turn, was the exchange of nukes between AIs, when I played as a small country. That took 15 minutes.

Last edited by Modo44 on 23-02-2005 at 00:38

	23-02-2005 01:17									#45
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Yes, nuke exchanges take a long time. I assume it's the disruption to the trade network (updates), the graphics of the ICBM, while running a heavy load from the scenario to start with.

I agree...no Alt-Tab and things eventually load. It's a cool scenario...probably better as multiplayer than single player.