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Pekka is offline Pekka
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I agree with Oerdin, if it's a possibility in your country. Do what it takes and if it works out... you know that's it. If not, then you have to work many angles and it just gets complicated.

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Ah, karma

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MRT, go to the dean of your department and begging. Grovel if you must but get readmited to the school.


I agree.

MRT, what uni do/did you go to? Most Universities have an appeals board you can submit requests to. They're like the supreme court of the school and can reverse any decision made by the university.

I would suggest you figure out why you didn't do well and why you had to drop out. If it was truly because you were lazy, then you need to make something up. If it was because of some sort of depression (I'm guessing) go to a psychiatrist, talk to them about your problems and how it affected your school work. They won't argue with you. Then ask them to write you a short letter that says you were unable to thrive during the academic year because of a severe depression. Then write your appeals board (usually there's a form) and attach the letter you got from the Pysch. Unless they're hard asses, it will work. Or you'll at least get some kind of break.

And if its not depression (I just made that up) do something else similar... learning disability, whatever. Just do whatever it takes to get back into school and consider it a second chance.

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Yeah, and has MRT ever gloated over any of your personal misfortunes? Or are you just miffed that he happens to find your brand of right-wing nuttery and hate offensive in and of itself?

You've outdone yourself this time. You're not a good person, Ned.


Boris, let's put it this way. MRT has never responded to any of my posts with anything other than a personal attack. He has been 100% vicious in his posts.

While I have no desire to see the average dude fall on his face, I really enjoy MRT's self destruction.

This has nothing to do with compassionate conservatism. It has to do with a personal vendetta by MRT against me and my reaction to it.

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Ah, karma


I guess it was Karma.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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it was at uber-leftist VJ's


Uhm, he doesn't seem that uber-left to me. A lot of his posts are prety reactionary, actually.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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I did notice a surprising amount of homeless people in Seattle


I assumed it was a West Coast thing, cuz I've never seen so many homeless as I saw in Seattle. There a lot here to, though, but if you have to be homeless, would you rather be homeless in NYC or Miami?

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San Francisco has a huge number of homeless people as well. The likely cause is the high cost of housing but the city's cash payments permissive policies towards the homeless ended up attracting a lot of out of town homeless people to that city.

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Boris, let's put it this way. MRT has never responded to any of my posts with anything other than a personal attack. He has been 100% vicious in his posts.


As I said, I doubt he's ever gloried in any misfortune of yours. A big difference. And considering you consider just criticism of the president as "vicious," I have to think it's just because he disagrees with you.

But your response indicates to me that his "viciousness" was justified. And that I should go back to having you on ignore.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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I assumed it was a West Coast thing, cuz I've never seen so many homeless as I saw in Seattle. There a lot here to, though, but if you have to be homeless, would you rather be homeless in NYC or Miami?


Portland has an astonishing number of homeless. And they all tend to be pretty polite. And supposedly it's for the same reason--they find the Portland climate and atmosphere best for being on the street.

Ming is offline Ming
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Enough with the personal attacks and gloating Ned... I would suggest you check your PM's...

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What I like about here in San Diego is the homeless don't pan-handle or beg. The city has antipan-handling and vagrancy laws that they ruthlessly enforce to keep the place looking nice for the tourist. Instead the homeless offer petty services for change.

You'll see people playing guitar for money, offering to clean car windows, drawing pictures, tap dancing, selling newspapers (the newspaper gives the homeless free papers to help them survive), and what not. It isn't a permanent solution but it allowed the homeless to not break the pan-handling and/or vagrancy laws while still getting a bit of money.

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While I have no desire to see the average dude fall on his face, I really enjoy MRT's self destruction.


Its hardly self destruction Ned. He got evicted. That happens to the best of us.

What this thread has essentially turned into however is a stay-in-school-MRT deal, but still. Dropping out of school isn't the end of the world either.

Sorry to ruin your fun.

Japher is offline Japher
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JCC, he got evicted because he got kicked out of school

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Yeah, he isn't the first student to fail out of college though.

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Yeah, he isn't the first student to fail out of college though.

Yeah, but that doesn't happen to the best of us.

:) Smiley is offline :) Smiley
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I don't think he was kicked out, didn't he choose to withdraw?

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I think he was about to fail out, though the distinction's not really important at this time.

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Yeah, but that doesn't happen to the best of us.

I'm damn close, and I think I'm doing pretty well

Admittedly this is mainly because one of the tutors is an absolute ass who really doesn't like me

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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I've withdrawn, and I disagree that it is worse than flunking out. Sometimes you just don't have a choice to continue on. If you withdraw, it's less of a reflection of your capabilities than flunking out would be, provided you have a good reason for doing so.

Asher is offline Asher
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I disagree that withdrawing is a good option.

Example: Ben.

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WHere is MRT anyway?

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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Got spare money?

Is it a good option? No. Is it better than flunking out? Yes. I can return to UBC at my own initiative, rather than having that door closed to me.

Asher is offline Asher
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So you left because you couldn't cut it?

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Withdrawing is a much better option than flunking out. Flunking out gets you debarred from the University and prevents you from coming back until you appeal it. And even when you return you have a horrible mark on your record.

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I had a roommate at university who withdrew. He was a great guy, and seemed to be doing good in his classes (we shared the same major — journalism). I learned in December 1997 that he hadn't been attending his classes since October 1997 or so. I asked all the profs in the department that if I helped him catch up with his classwork and tests if he could still pass. Sadly, 'twas too little, too late.

I last saw him Jan. 6, 1998, when he cleaned out his half of the room. You know what his downfall was?

Internet addiction.

Gatekeeper

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Not going to any of the classes is fine, as long as you hand in all the assignments and pass the exams.

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So you left because you couldn't cut it?


Why did I leave when I did?

More than a few reasons. My profs all asked me to stay, they liked my work, and felt I was one of their better students.

But the real reasons were financial and institutional.

I really don't know what to call the second thing. At UBC they have a Disability Resource Centre that supplies notetakers for students. Up until this last year, they allowed me to hire my own, and they would start within a week of classes starting. I'd get a package of notes every week right until the end. The system worked well, and allowed me to do well at university. Then they changed the system.

A new director of the program got hired with squat knowledge of this particular program which she oversaw. A case of merit hiring, she had a different disability, but one that had nothing to do with my program. In any case, she made several substantial alterations. First of all, she made it so that all notetakers had to go through the same hirings process as all other employees of the DRC. Looks good, but there's more. Part of this hirings process meant that they had to take a test concerning the workings of the DRC. If they failed, they were removed from consideration.

Secondly, until a notetaker was hired, they would not pay the notetaker. I had always argued for retroactive pay, from the start of the class, so that they got compensated for all the notes I received. A difference of about 40 dollars per notetaker per semester, considering that all the notetakers got 10 dollars an hour to work.

Then they scaled back the pay to nine dollars. All of these changes took place at the same time.

Needless to say, it was a complete disaster. It took a month for all my notetakers to be hired, completely unacceptable when my semester is only 3 months long with 1 month for our examinations.

Secondly, they refused to pay my notetakers for the first month of classes, even though I was supposed to get my notetaker's notes from that first month. I argued that they ought to be compensated for this, as they had been every year before.

I eventually managed to get the DRC to pay them retroactively because I would go on my own time and hassle them over this issue. They said they would grandfather me until I graduated, an agreement which they reneged on in the second term.

As for financial, I didn't have the money to pay for all my books on top of my living costs, without taking a part time job. I took the job doing inventory work, in the second term and got burnt out from that and a full course load.

Will I go back? When I have what I need, in terms of money and support so that I can finish. If I have to work and save to do that, then I will do that.

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UBC is a clusterf*ck of a school. Shameful.

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I had a scholarship to Calgary and to Edmonton, but I turned them both down.

Too many rednecks.

 
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