20-02-2005 11:36									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen AWSOME...... go see it.

Hell no. From the trailers it looks like an action movie aimed at the same audience as Left Behind and The Passion.

	20-02-2005 11:46									#32
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Nah, the movie is pretty sacriligious- true believers will probably hate it- I can just see Mel wanting to burn the theater down.

	20-02-2005 11:50									#33
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That's a relief.

	20-02-2005 12:03									#34
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You have to know plenty of Christian theology to buy it, but in the end, its not really in any way affirming of Christianity.

Its not a good movie, mind you, but its not horrible.

	20-02-2005 12:43									#35
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quote: I'll rent it I am boycotting Keanu unti he does another comedy

Did I say that?

I saw it today, and...

	20-02-2005 14:03									#36
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I saw the previews, and wanted to see it, but I thought it had a high probability of sucking. Based on this thread, though, I'll probably see it, hopefully tomorrow. Expect my full review soon.

	20-02-2005 14:13									#37
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quote: Originally posted by GePap You have to know plenty of Christian theology to buy it, but in the end, its not really in any way affirming of Christianity.

Tell me about it. I left the theater with the impression that Heaven and Hell are nothing more than would-be puppetmasters, with humanity being strung along by both entities. To quote Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?!"

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	20-02-2005 14:24									#38
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Very interesting... I've thought it would superly suck, but threads on many different forums are saying this was good. Go fig.

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	20-02-2005 14:29									#39
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Yeah, I guess some movies can surprise you.

	20-02-2005 15:10									#40
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So is this film about the Byzantine emperor or not?

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No.

	20-02-2005 15:34									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly When she was about 8 or so, our daughter was invited to a firend's church for Easter services. She came home all excited, and breathlessly related that the church had spent the morning recounting the story of Jesus Christ Superstar. Since then, we've tried to give her a heads-up whenever she's encountering elements of the Christian cosmology. The results are interesting; for example, like a lot of secular children of educated parents, she's actually getting most of her sense of Christianity by going to art museums. No question, but she'll read them both dammit; I just picked Milton for the whole angels-demons-war-against-heaven angle. Actually, I can't wait until she reads Milton and finally figures out what Phillip Pullman's been up to...

that's interesting. I just had a thought. Doesn't relate to you, but I'm curious if it happens.

children of relgious families often rebel and become athiests or satanists. I wonder if children of secular families rebel. What do they have to rebel against? Do they become religious just to piss of their parents?

	20-02-2005 15:36									#43
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quote: Originally posted by GePap For the genre of comic book conversions and "theological action", it was fine. A nice 2 hours of entertainment. All the actors were fine, and I think Tilda Swinton made a great Gabriel- I liked her scene at the end. Also, stay throught the entire credits (damned things are LONG) cause they have an extra scene, which I will not give away, unlike some other people Oh, and I saw this in my neighborhood ghettoplex, and two noisy kids, maybe 11 or so, sat behind me, talking nonsense, but I loved it when one kid tried to have some "intelliegent conversation" by pointing out that given that the movie was about heaven and hell, the name Constantine probably had to do with Emperor Constantine, whom had banned Christianity from Islam, or something (this is what he said). Which was doubly funny because when my mother first saw the title around, she thought, given all the costume dramas around latetly that it was probably about Emperor Constantine.

so it's not about constantine?

	20-02-2005 19:20									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident that's interesting. I just had a thought. Doesn't relate to you, but I'm curious if it happens. children of relgious families often rebel and become athiests or satanists. I wonder if children of secular families rebel. What do they have to rebel against? Do they become religious just to piss of their parents?

I suspect so. Rebelling in that sense is just becoming what your paerents are not.

My favorite example in this regard is the family of a friend of mine from college. Her parents were thoroughly mainstream: Dad was a self-made man who rose from a working-class background to become a very senior exec at Price-Waterhouse; Mom was upper-middle class old money and the kind of gal Dad would marry to signify that he had "made it." They were Christine-Todd-Whitman Republicans, living in upper crust New Jersey (Bergen County), worshipping an Episcopalian God and sending their kids to prep schools, then Ivies, and then presumedly on to upper-middle-class suburban Episcopalian lives of their own. And the kids?

One became a communist and lives on a collective in Vermont...
One became a born-again Christian and eschewed upward class mobility, becoming a nurse instead...
And my friend? She actually got her MBA and works in an appropriately Capitalist/Satanic field (the business end of pharmaceuticals)...but she still managed to marry a black guy (both her parents are really old-school Southern White).

I think: you have kids, you live in fear.

	20-02-2005 21:09									#45
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The critics have not been kind to the film, specially those from bigger outfits, but I think most people who go watch this film aren't interested in anything more than good effects and good actions, as long as the actors don't suck utterly. All the acting is good (for the roles they have to play), the effects are good, and the action is OK, so all in all, people are satisfied.

	20-02-2005 21:10									#46
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Why is it that all the new comic book heroes have to come from hell?

Constantine, Hellboy, Spawn.

I'll wait for the DVD.

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	21-02-2005 00:53									#47
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quote: Originally posted by GePap The critics have not been kind to the film, specially those from bigger outfits, but I think most people who go watch this film aren't interested in anything more than good effects and good actions, as long as the actors don't suck utterly. All the acting is good (for the roles they have to play), the effects are good, and the action is OK, so all in all, people are satisfied.

I want more than special effects. I want a good story. I'm okay if there is no character development in these types of movies, but if the story is crap, the movie is crap.

	21-02-2005 02:18									#48
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There is nothing wrong with these films based on mythology, because let's face it, that is all religion (in this particular example, Christianity) is...

	21-02-2005 16:33									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Why is it that all the new comic book heroes have to come from hell? Constantine, Hellboy, Spawn. I'll wait for the DVD. ACK!

Constantine isn't from Hell, and isn't new.


You'll find him in the Alan Moore run on Swamp Thing which is about twenty years plus old.

	21-02-2005 17:32									#50
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Anyone here fans of the comic? If so are there any trade paperbacks you'd recommend?

I happen to own the first 30 or so...

One of the Hellblazer collections is basically a reprint of the first issues, all of which are excellent IMO.

My favourite is issue #3 which is a pisstake of Thatcher's Britain called 'Yuppies from Hell'...

From what I've seen of the trailers, Hellblazer has basically been raped for an American audience by turning him American and setting him in LA amongst other things, which also means the plot is likely to be pretty dumb too...

Still, the trailer did look pretty impressive and so long as its a decent popcorn actioner I'll be pretty happy...

	21-02-2005 19:13									#51
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It's a decent action movie, Moby. It definately doesn't suck LXG style.

	21-02-2005 23:11									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Because even if we don't believe, the cosmology is obviously an important aspect of Western culture. We don't care if she never reads the Bible (though she should, for cultural knowledge) but, as our daughter, she will read Paradise Lost, and she's never going to understand what's going on there without some background.

child abuse. I'm calling the authorities.

awful, awful book. horrid.