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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Terrible. Does anyone know if he was sick. He wasn't the kind of man to go quietly if that was the case. His Nixon obituary was the best obituary ever written. He will be missed.

Apparently he had a broken leg and had recently undergone hip surgery from which he was in a lot of pain. As for other problems he might have been suffering from, who knows?

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Both overrated and unfairly maligned as a writer, he was an intrepid trailblazer took no quarter and asked none. He revolutionized participatory journalism with his drug-fueled rants, organized into stream-of-consciousness impressionism that left no doubt as to the point he was making.

Hunter S. Thompson made a huge impact on those of us who read him as the long-time political(and sports) editor of the early (cool) years of Rolling Stone Magazine, then followed him faithfully through his books. There is huge irony to the fact that this misanthropic observations on the political scene fueled the anti-(Vietnam)-war movement and rise of the investigative journalism, while coming from a man who was personally about as fiercely conservative (though I would suggest "classically libertarian" as more accurate) as they come. His novel about his experiences in pre-Castro Cuba (the name now escapes me) offers an insight into the man, and a preview of his future path. Most recently, he wrote for the Page 2 section of ESPN.com.

For those who (sadly) are unaware of this larger-than-life figue, think of Hunter S. Thompson as an id without a lid -- a man constantly chafing at the restrictions of reality throughout his adult life, expressing himself through the written word. He was brilliant, profound, honest, and damaged. Not unlike a lot of us, but without a leash.

Hunter Thompson is one of the few men that I honestly regret never having met. I long to have spent an evening with him.

The world is a lesser place without him. May his always-restless soul, finally, rest in peace.

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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Both overrated and unfairly maligned as a writer, he was an intrepid trailblazer took no quarter and asked none. He revolutionized participatory journalism with his drug-fueled rants, organized into stream-of-consciousness impressionism that left no doubt as to the point he was making. Hunter S. Thompson made a huge impact on those of us who read him as the long-time political(and sports) editor of the early (cool) years of Rolling Stone Magazine, then followed him faithfully through his books. There is huge irony to the fact that this misanthropic observations on the political scene fueled the anti-(Vietnam)-war movement and rise of the investigative journalism, while coming from a man who was personally about as fiercely conservative (though I would suggest "classically libertarian" as more accurate) as they come. His novel about his experiences in pre-Castro Cuba (the name now escapes me) offers an insight into the man, and a preview of his future path. Most recently, he wrote for the Page 2 section of ESPN.com. For those who (sadly) are unaware of this larger-than-life figue, think of Hunter S. Thompson as an id without a lid -- a man constantly chafing at the restrictions of reality throughout his adult life, expressing himself through the written word. He was brilliant, profound, honest, and damaged. Not unlike a lot of us, but without a leash. Hunter Thompson is one of the few men that I honestly regret never having met. I long to have spent an evening with him. The world is a lesser place without him. May his always-restless soul, finally, rest in peace.

Well written!

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Thx...

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Dunno if I'd call him a libertarian capitalist (classical libertarianism would be libertarian socialism), though. He's strong on certain personal freedoms that are considered right-wing due to the weirdness of American politics (i.e. gun control), but for instance, when running for Sheriff, his platform included banning cars in downtown Aspen.

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I was thinking in terms of his early years. After he settled into his bunker in Aspen, things got pretty idiosyncratic by all indications. but your point is a good one.

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So he (supposedly) wants to be cremated and have his ashes shot out of a cannon. Somehow that doesn't surprise me.

Here's hoping he gets his wish.

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I want my ashes spread over Jenifer Aniston, I just don't think that's going to happen though.

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-JRabbit - that was excellent.

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JRabbit, good read

Anyway, I'm pretty familiar with this character too, though I must admit I only took interest in him when I saw Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas right when it came here, as I was in this freaky mode of liking these drug movies. It gets better every time I see it. SO, I then saw the BBC documentary about him made in the 70s and OMG! He was the exact image of Johnny Depp's character, well, I mean Depp was able to do a great imitation. And he was such an interesting person, I mean how can you not look at it and wonder 'wow', but it's not negative or positive, it's just 'wow' .. you distance yourself from reality and what you see as normal and not normal, because you can't think of him with those terms... he was just a rare man, a man of his own, definitely interesting, inspiring and with a ... curious mind.

Well, ANyway, to my point, has anyone read Hell's Angels he wrote? I want to read it so I was thinking what you guys think of it..

	24-02-2005 05:06									#41
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Damn..

but hey, could it have ended in any other way? A person like him I can't imagine dying of old age.. you know

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Trajanus, right.. hey it's a wonder he lived that long to begin with... I guess he was one of those God's on prototypes.. too *something* to live, too rare to die, quoting his own words.

I keep imagining him just doing it, saying somethin original like Mmmmmm **** it, let's do it and BANG without giving it that much more thought to it. Well there must have been reasons behind it but the end must of been quick and.. original.

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quote: Originally posted by embalmer42 So he (supposedly) wants to be cremated and have his ashes shot out of a cannon.

At whom?

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quote: Originally posted by Pekka JWell, ANyway, to my point, has anyone read Hell's Angels he wrote? I want to read it so I was thinking what you guys think of it..

I thought it was interesting although I would rate "The Great Shark Hunt" and "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" as better books. However, reading it would be time well wasted IMO (even if you read it while you're wasted).

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A less-than-glowing obit:

quote: The Suicide of Counter-Culture By Stephen Schwartz Weekly Standard | February 23, 2005 The suicide of Hunter S. Thompson, aged 65, according to the New York Times, or 67, according to the Washington Post, at his home in Aspen, may definitively mark the conclusion of the chaotic "baby-boomer" rebellion that began in the 1950s and crested in the 1960s, and which was dignified with the title of "the counter-culture." "Counter" it was, as an expression of defiance toward everything normal and reliable in society. "Culture" it was not, any more than Thompson's incoherent scribblings constituted, as they were so often indulgently described, a form of journalism. When a major representative of any dramatic period in history dies, it is tempting to proclaim the end of an epoch, but the lonely death of Thompson--he shot himself in his kitchen--seems more emblematic than any other associated with the '60s. The incident might even have been accidental, brought on by one of Thompson's self-storied flings into the ingestion of garbage drugs. Who knows? But Louisa Davidson, wife of the sheriff of Pitkin County, the jurisdiction wherein the death occurred, probably had it right: "he was not going to age gracefully. He was going to go out with a bang. He was tormented." Whatever the actual circumstances, it is difficult to imagine a still-living personage, or even one who preceded him into eternal silence and collective forgetfulness, more representative of his time. William S. Burroughs, the prosewriter once hailed for allegedly reinventing the American novel, died at 83 in 1997. Allen Ginsberg, the versifier who had supposedly changed American poetry forever, expired the same year at 70. Ken Kesey, another overrated writer, joined them in 2001. The comedian Lenny Bruce and the author Jack Kerouac left the scene long, long before, in the '60s themselves. Who is left? No one but minor figures. Thompson had much in common with Burroughs and Ginsberg. First, their products were mainly noise. Their books were reissued but now sit inertly on bookstore shelves, incapable of inspiring younger readers, or even nostalgic baby boomers, to purchase them. Thompson claimed credit for the invention of "gonzo journalism," epitomized by his great success, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, published in 1972. He will inevitably be hailed by newswriters as the creator of a genre. But if his work is taught to the young, it is as an exemplar of the madness of the '60s, not as literature or journalism. Aside from his own later works, including such trivia, bearing his signature, as The Great Shark Hunt, Generation of Swine, and Songs of the Doomed, of what did "gonzo" journalism consist? Thompson left no authorial legacy. It has long been argued that lasting literature is an impossibility without imitation and emulation, and that although young authors often produce works ridiculously imitative of their idols, real writers grow out of such mimesis to gain recognition for their own, individual abilities. But who can imagine a youthful talent beginning with an exercise in the gonzo style? Thompson produced no others like him, for the same reason Burroughs and Ginsberg generated no schools of novel-writing or verse. One may go further and say they had nothing to teach the young, except to emit a cacophony. Indeed, it would be one thing to say that Thompson and the others like him, such as Burroughs and Ginsberg, are dated. Even embarrassingly old-fashioned artistic works, bereft of immediacy for those who are not part of the environment from which they emerged, have the capacity for revival. But Thompson produced a clamor without content. Doubtlessly, the most pathetic aspect of the '60s phenomenon was the absolute conviction of Thompson and those who encouraged him that "living in the moment" really did count more than anything else in the world, that history never existed and that the future was their property. His enablers included lefty journalist Warren Hinckle III, who first published Thompson's experiments in incoherent "reportage" in a forgotten magazine called Scanlan's, and pop huckster Jann S. Wenner, the grand ayatollah of Rolling Stone, a tabloid which began as a pop music paper, then tried to make itself over as a serious journal, and is now read by . . . who? For some commentators, the greatest compliment paid to Thompson was the incorporation of a dishonest, heartless figure modeled on him, and named Uncle Duke (after Raoul Duke, the narrator of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas) into Doonesbury. But that strip is generally known for its tone of dishonesty and heartlessness, and, like the writings of Thompson, seems extremely dated, increasingly unread, and finally irrelevant in its mean-spiritedness. Thompson, as I can say from personal witness, was not flattered by the Doonesbury valentine. "I don't steal from his stuff, do I?" Thompson grunted in a bar one afternoon in San Francisco. For him, imitation, or caricature, was the least sincere form of flattery, and in his bilious reaction there might have resided a microscopic element of self-awareness. He may well have understood that the drugs, gunfire, motorcycle mishaps, public rantings, and widespread adulation in which he was immersed were evanescent, and that his books were too thin to keep his memory alive for very long. One must imagine that in his own middle '60s Hunter Thompson looked into the mirror and saw that nobody needed a gonzo interpretation of the world after September 11, that nobody was amused by his capacity to survive fatal doses of sinister concoctions, and that, increasingly, nobody knew or cared who he was. He was flattered to be described as chronicler of "the death of the American dream." In reality, he described a nightmare from which America awoke years ago. Stephen Schwartz, an author and journalist, is author of The Two Faces of Islam: The House of Sa'ud from Tradition to Terror. A vociferous critic of Wahhabism, Schwartz is a frequent contributor to National Review, The Weekly Standard, and other publications.

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk At whom?

No one so far as I am aware - I believe he wanted to be shot over his property but I could be wrong.

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quote: Stephen Schwartz, an author and journalist, is author of The Two Faces of Islam: The House of Sa'ud from Tradition to Terror. A vociferous critic of Wahhabism, Schwartz is a frequent contributor to National Review, The Weekly Standard, and other publications.

I smell payback for the Nixon obit

quote: The suicide of Hunter S. Thompson, aged 65, according to the New York Times, or 67, according to the Washington Post, at his home in Aspen, may definitively mark the conclusion of the chaotic "baby-boomer" rebellion that began in the 1950s and crested in the 1960s, and which was dignified with the title of "the counter-culture." "Counter" it was, as an expression of defiance toward everything normal and reliable in society. "Culture" it was not, any more than Thompson's incoherent scribblings constituted, as they were so often indulgently described, a form of journalism.

That "normal" and "reliable" culture brought us the immense stability known as the Vietnam War and the culmination of Jim Crow.

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As a person who makes his living as a writer, guys, I appreciate the kind words.

Schwartz's opinion of Thompson, the 60s, Rolling Stone, et al., are clearly the words of one who did not live in that era. He's entitled to his opinion, and there is some validity to it.

But the phenomena we lived tharough were real, whether relevant to the post-9/11 world or not, and Hunter S. Thompson was an important participant and reporter of that age.

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quote: But if his work is taught to the young, it is as an exemplar of the madness of the '60s, not as [...] journalism. [...] Schwartz is a frequent contributor to National Review, The Weekly Standard, and other publications.

Irony has just died.

quote: Their books were reissued but now sit inertly on bookstore shelves, incapable of inspiring younger readers, or even nostalgic baby boomers, to purchase them.

Bald assertion allert. This "younger reader" has purchased four HST books. And many of my friends are big fans.

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Schwartz, like all tories, is deeply uncool and anal to boot.

HST's stuff, along with Burroughs and Ginsberg is still loved by hip young people.

Counterculture.

A couple of years ago, I shared an office at UTM with a guy who was a big HST fan and who kept copies of most of his books in the office.

I spent most of the term reading them again.

We need more Hunter S. Thompsons.

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quote: Originally posted by Pekka JRabbit, good read Anyway, I'm pretty familiar with this character too, though I must admit I only took interest in him when I saw Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas right when it came here, as I was in this freaky mode of liking these drug movies. It gets better every time I see it. SO, I then saw the BBC documentary about him made in the 70s and OMG! He was the exact image of Johnny Depp's character, well, I mean Depp was able to do a great imitation. And he was such an interesting person, I mean how can you not look at it and wonder 'wow', but it's not negative or positive, it's just 'wow' .. you distance yourself from reality and what you see as normal and not normal, because you can't think of him with those terms... he was just a rare man, a man of his own, definitely interesting, inspiring and with a ... curious mind. Well, ANyway, to my point, has anyone read Hell's Angels he wrote? I want to read it so I was thinking what you guys think of it..

Hell's Angels is great, a much more serious scholarly work than Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. But very interesting. I liked both, but for different reasons.

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Awesome cartoon, Moses. Thx.

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quote: 'Loving' farewell to writer Wife details family gathering with Thompson dead in chair By Jeff Kass, © 2005, Rocky Mountain News February 25, 2005 ASPEN — Hunter S. Thompson heard the ice clinking. The literary champ was sitting in his command post kitchen chair, a piece of blank paper in his favorite typewriter, dead of a self-inflicted gunshot through the mouth hours earlier. Advertisement But a small circle of family and friends gathered around with stories, as he wished, with glasses full of his favored elixir — Chivas Regal on ice. "It was very loving. It was not a panic, or ugly, or freaky," Thompson's wife, Anita Thompson, said Thursday night in her first spoken comments since the icon's death Sunday. "It was just like Hunter wanted. He was in control here." Anita Thompson also echoes the comments that have been made by Hunter Thompson's son and daughter-in-law: That her husband's suicide did not come from the bottom of the well, but was a gesture of strength and ultimate control made as his life was at a high-water mark. "This is a triumph of his, not a desperate, tragic failure," Anita Thompson said by phone, recounting that she was sitting in her husband's chair he called his catbird seat in the Rockies. She added: "He lived a beautiful life and he lived it on his own terms, all the way from the very beginning to the very end." Anita Thompson, like her husband's other close relatives, understood how Hunter Thompson wanted to make his ultimate exit. "I always knew that Hunter was going to die before me," Anita Thompson, 32, said of her 67-year-old husband. "I'd accepted that. I just did not know it was going to be like this. I would rather have him back." Yet Anita Thompson quickly came to embrace Hunter Thompson's gesture with a .45-caliber handgun. She was at the gym when her husband took his life. And when family friend and Pitkin County Sheriff Bob Braudis confirmed the news, her mind raced. "I have enough will power," she thought. "I can turn back time. No, no, no. This is not right. This can't happen." But upon seeing Hunter Thompson's body, she embraced him. "Since he'd done this, I did not want to make it difficult for his spirit," she said. "I wanted to make it loving." Anita Thompson believes she will stay on at the expansive property and famous house that was an ever-changing archive of political, literary and name-your-category items. And she will continue to help administer Hunter Thompson's works. "I'm going to keep on working for Hunter," she said. "He wanted this. He made sure that I was in place to continue on. I'll just do my job until I can be with him again." She adds, citing the property's nickname: "It will remain Owl Farm. It will remain Hunter Thompson's Owl Farm." The last book they had read out loud together was parts of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness, a dense classic that explores the fragility of civilization by one of Hunter Thompson's favorite authors. Yet, said Anita Thompson, "He thinks Conrad is funny." Anita Thompson and her husband had a small tiff that afternoon. Hunter Thompson told her to leave the kitchen that was known across the world as his funky and sacred work space. A weird look came across his face. "I don't know why he wanted me to leave the room," she said. "It's all speculation. He'd never asked me to leave the room before." But Anita Thompson did not go to the office with Hunter Thompson's son, as he had requested. Instead, she left the house. "I'm going to get my gym bag. I'm going," she recalled. "He said, 'I don't want you to leave the house.'" But she went to the gym. At 5:16 p.m., according to her cell-phone display, she called and spoke with Hunter Thompson for 10 minutes and 22 seconds. Hunter Thompson put almost everyone on speakerphone. But he picked up the handset to speak with his wife. "I knew it was odd, first of all, that he picked up with the handset ... I thought, 'That's sweet,'" she said. The talk was good. "He said, 'I want you to come home after you work out. Come home and we'll work on a column,'" she recalled. The conversation, however, never really ended. Before formal goodbyes, Anita Thompson heard a clicking sound. She thought Hunter Thompson might have put down the handset and was typing. Or maybe it was the television. She waited. Maybe a minute passed. "He did not say anything about killing himself," she said. The official time of death is 5:42 p.m. But did Hunter Thompson shoot himself while on the phone with his wife? "I did not hear any bang," she says, noting that Hunter Thompson's son, who was in the house at the time, believed that a book had fallen when he heard the shot. Anita Thompson can imagine what was going through Hunter Thompson's mind before the fatal shot: My beloved son, grandson and daughter-in-law are here. I'm in my perch. The fireplace has fire. "I don't know if it mattered if I was here," Anita Thompson says. "I just like to think, and believe in my heart, he felt happy in his life." A woman at the gym saw Anita Thompson in the bathroom. She asked if Hunter Thompson was OK. Anita Thompson pretty much blew it off. Rumors about Hunter Thompson were always in the air. Anita Thompson replied, "Oh yeah," but added, "he's been pretty stressed out lately." A strange look was on the woman's face. She told Anita Thompson to check her phone messages. The woman said she would stay at her side. Now she was shaking, and could barely dial. There was a message from Juan Thompson, Hunter's son. "Anita, you have to come home now, he's dead." Anita Thompson then spoke to the sheriff on the phone. Had Hunter Thompson intended for his wife of two years to be in the house? "I don't know, and it's not that important," Anita Thompson says. "I know he loved me. There's no question ... I know he did not want me to find him alone. He knew I was opposed to it." After wading through the police officers outside, Anita Thompson recalls seeing her husband's dead body for the first time. "He was sitting in the chair when they brought me in, and I got to hug him and kiss him and rub his legs," she said. "All the anger was gone when I saw him." Anita Thompson does not know why Hunter Thompson chose the .45 from his vast collection of guns. But he was deft with his death. "He did not destroy his face," Anita Thompson says. "He did it in his mouth. His face was beautiful. It was quick. It was not grisly or gruesome by any means. That's probably why he took that gun. He spared us a gruesome scene." She adds: "His face did look calm and peaceful. He looked content. Like he wanted it." For Tuesday's cremation, Anita Thompson dressed her husband. He was wearing a light blue, seersucker suit, a Tilly hat and his reading glasses, which he had on when he died. He had asked her to include a lock of her hair with him on this occasion. She complied, and more, cutting off her one-foot long blonde ponytail. Anita Thompson is depending on mundane chores, but also family, friends and the estimated 50 messages a day. "Being alone with Hunter in our bedroom, and I've been reading his letters to me," she added. "They have a different charge now. He wrote the most beautiful love letters I have ever seen ... I'm so lucky." Then there was the flag. Hunter Thompson is an Air Force veteran. And following protocol, according to Anita Thompson, a deputy coroner from neighboring Garfield County presented her with a U.S. flag. It now hangs on a storyboard in the kitchen area, normally used for Hunter Thompson's works in progress. A white, silk scarf that the Dalai Lama presented to Hunter Thompson — the two men looked alike — drapes over the flag. The house is filled to the brim with flowers — especially orchids, Hunter Thompson's favorite. "It's nice in here," says Anita Thompson. "He would like it. He does like it, I guess." Yes, Anita Thompson says, the landmark writer is nearby. "Mainly in moments when you're quiet, you can feel him; it's a different energy than when he was in his body," she says. "It's in the chest. It's all encompassing, but just for a second. It's beautiful." Hunter Thompson was huge on swimming for his exercise. But he was also known for his love of fine whiskey, and to put it far too mildly, for experimenting with most every intoxicant known to man. "He loved his body, look what he did to it," Anita Thompson jokes. She then adds a line that maybe even she fails, on its face, to grasp the significance of: "He gave his body everything it wanted."

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	26-02-2005 07:37									#56
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Jesus, what a bunch of nutters...

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Indeed.

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Hunter S Thompson was a kind of heroe of mine - how did I end up in this suit?

He was a very gifted and entertaining writer, if a little uneven at times - usually due to drugs or booze or both.

He was a writer's writer, as you can see from those paying homage here. The wordsmiths will remember him. Anyone who can make Hubert Humphrey and failed Democrat Presidential campaigns sound interesting has a real knack. He does Las Vegas much better than Tom Wolfe in my opinion.

I don't feel sad - just a wry sense of loss. He went out as he would have wanted - although from what I read of the circumstances - mid phone call with his wife whilst having a mundane conversation - I wouldn't rule out accidental death. He could have easily have been playing with that gun. He always had firearms around in his Colorado phase and never showed much sign of using them safely.

But suicide will fit the legend better.

	27-02-2005 23:53									#59
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I have nothing against suicide, but when you have a family and loved one's it seems selfish. For guys like me it isn't so, since I have no family and loved ones (except for my dog ).

And if you are going to do it, don't do it in your home and tramatize your family having to see that mess (unless you do it in a non messy way). A gunshot from a shotgun is very messy.

It's hypocritical people denounce suicide as selfish all the time, but when someone famous like this does it, it's okay.

be consistant, that's all I ask.

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FWIW he did a clean job of it with a handgun. Apparently he knew and planned exactly what he was doing.

I agree that suicide should not be a viable option, expecially if you have family. But it's no surprise to me that HSThompson would feel that rule did not apply to him.