07-03-2005 20:26									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Quezacotl06 How can you make another Alpha Centauri?

The same way they made the first one......duh.

They could write a different story, and alternate really of the original story, or even just repeat the original story. I'd be happy in any case.

quote: Originally posted by Quezacotl06 That game's one in a million and we'll probably never see something like it ever again. I'd rather play Galactic Civilizations instead of ruining the name of Alpha Centauri with disappointment.

That is like saying "The Matrix" is a crappy movie just because the 2nd and 3rd ones were so bad.

There will always be lousey sequels, that doesn't mean you stop trying, cause it 'might turn out bad'.

	08-03-2005 19:01									#32
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Smac 2 is in the works. But it'll be 2+ years.

Edit: I'm practicing by b.s. skills. sorry about that.......

But really, it should be in the works. We need it. Can you imagine how great it would be? 3-d graphics, a moddable AI, and custom factions from the get-go. Ah, where is it Brian? Or hire me, then I'll shut up........

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	08-03-2005 19:10									#33
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Not that I have any reason to disbelieve you smack, but I have to ask.....how is it you would know this? Would this have anything to do with your hiatus?

Bah, posted too quickly, you tricked me.

	08-03-2005 19:13									#34
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Sorry Livid......

I just had to do a little practice.

I'm so ready for the day of announcement:

"Brian Reynolds has left BHG and has started work on Alpha Centauri 2: Aldebaran, with **** *******, a long-time modder of the game SMAC........"

Here's to dreaming......now if I could just get a job....

	08-03-2005 19:15									#35
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No no....I didn't trick you. I was considering leaving my post as it was. There is something to be said for rumor begetting truth, isn't there? If I could start a rumor about SMAC 2, and knew it would lead to the game being made, I think I would do it.

Shameful, isn't it?

Apologies,

S

	08-03-2005 19:25									#36
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Hey that's not a bad idea. We could rig up a website advertising the release of SMAC 2 in 2 years through a fake dev studio and a fake game publisher.

Once word got out to Firaxis, they'd $h!t a brick thinking someone was pirating their software. That would get their attention! It might kick 'em in the pants and wake them up......I love it!

	08-03-2005 19:49									#37
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Let's do it, and then get this thread deleted.

Who knows how far it could go?

	08-03-2005 22:36									#38
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No, it would be much more funny if we left this post and still managed to pull it off.

	09-03-2005 00:18									#39
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wow.

The righteous need not cover before the drumbeat of human progress!

	09-03-2005 01:48									#40
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Technological advance is an inherently iterative process...


Let's all put in relevant tech/facility/sp quotes!

	09-03-2005 20:36									#41
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That's the best quote of the game:

"The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress"

Kinda sums up the last 500 years of history and struggle and faith. Damn, SMAC got it all so right....

	10-03-2005 20:31									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Quezacotl06 but consider the deeper philosophical question of whether there's another SMAC coming out: How can you make another Alpha Centauri? That game's one in a million and we'll probably never see something like it ever again. I'd rather play Galactic Civilizations instead of ruining the name of Alpha Centauri with disappointment.

Agreed...which is why I would like for SMAC 2 to be nothing more than the same game, with updated graphics, some bugs/cheeses ironed out, and an enhanced AI.

Asmodean

	12-03-2005 19:54									#43
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Big Huge Games + Alpha Centauri License = Heaven

	14-03-2005 03:53									#44
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What transcendance do actually? Humans are not humans anymore, I know that. But we turn into what.
Some more intelligent advanced species? Is that mean that we are evolving ourself?

What I want to say here is that cant we include the chiron after the transcendance in samcII if there is any(I'm bit daydreaming)? We can not able to play after the transcendace?

I'm bit confused. Dont take this seriously and I know that my english is bad.

quote: Big Huge Games + Alpha Centauri License = Heaven

Yes I A g r eeeee

	14-03-2005 08:09									#45
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I never thought about continuing the story of SMAC in a sequel.

I suppose one new faction could be the Transcendance faction, that has planet bonuses and whose speciality is worms. They could compete with the remaining human factions.

I would rather just drop the whole fungus/worms/planet approach and start afresh. Perhaps the goal could be to terraform the planet like in the Red Mars books. Barbarians/worms could be extremist ecology nuts, like the Giaians, who perform terrorist activities trying to stop the ecological changes.

Perhaps to terraform the planet, you would need terraform plants set up across the planet, and you would need to defend them. The game could be configured so that it was hard to defend terraforming installations and conduct a war of conquest at the same time.

It could be another planet in the Alpha Centauri system too. It would be a bit stale to have it on the same planet.

	14-03-2005 10:58									#46
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Transcendance involved copying yourself into the fungus neural net, and causing the fungus to completely cover the planet.

	14-03-2005 13:00									#47
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NO, SMAC II shouldlnt continiue the story, it should just redo it, maybe with a bit more details and/or depth. Just look at Civ, after three official parts, two call to powers and test of time, its story is still exactly the same, thus it should be with smac.

	14-03-2005 20:02									#48
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I agree that SMAC II shouldn't move forward in means of story. It should still be the same with fixed bugs and some changes to make game more balanced. smax is really a great game as it is.

From all things I would change really only one. It occured to me long ago, after I'd started to play pbem's. I think it could be very interesting to connect faction's ability to produce big army with its population and not only with its factory ability. That is to say building each military units would consume some nutriens already acumulated by a city. Infantry units, for example, would demand less minerals but would take more nutriens in comparison to mechanized units. The same would apply to how advanced the unit is.
All this would allow to simulate the situation we have had in our history (like chines or russinan armies, for example) when huge countries (that's to say with big population), though with bad economies, used it's main advantage by making big but badly equipped armies. In the same time you could make smaller army but more advanced and equipped better.

This has occured to me when I was playing the Hive. Just imagine Hive's army, thousands and thousand infantry troops ) From time to time a tank

	14-03-2005 21:56									#49
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Not a bad idea at all. Sort of Paradox games-ish.
Hey, im starting to spread the like for SMAC/X! The other day a guy at school asked me about it because he had heard me talking about it, and guess what? that if there was a sequel...

	16-03-2005 13:57									#50
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First off, Firaxis owns the license to SMAC and SMACAX.

Second, Sid has said that they are looking at the possibility of doing a SMAC 2. Seriously. It's in an interview he gave a while back, about what Firaxis is going to do after Pirates! He said that Firaxis is looking at old properties that could do with an updating, a fresh look. SMAC was one of those listed old properties being looked at by Firaxis.

So keep your ears open. If Firaxis is continuing to return to Sid's big hits of the past, SMAC is a definate strong possibility.

	16-03-2005 14:48									#51
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Hey, after all this time, look who's still posting here.
Hi Googlie!
And lotsa other old names, in other threads I barely recognise 1 in 100

just droppyng by, but...

quote: Originally posted by Zalek I agree that SMAC II shouldn't move forward in means of story. It should still be the same with fixed bugs and some changes to make game more balanced. smax is really a great game as it is.

I don't understand this.
Bugs? What do you mean "bugs"???
Ah, after all this time, you haven't learned yet that they're GAME FEATURES ...

Wait, < looks around > this is Poly... ok, j/k

Hey, should they release just a patch (sorry, proper name was "enchantment" IIRC ), fixing say 70-80% of the major SMAC/X bugs, I've got so supple with aging that I'd bend as low as to buy it...
After all this was Firaxis policy from the start.
What? Yes, didn't you know SMAX was SMAC patch #5, and they got you to pay for it?
I know there were new features in SMAX, but that's not what you paid for. If that was the case, then they'd have made available the SMAC patch *included* in SMAX as a free standalone patch (just as like the previous patches), for the SMAC owners who were not interested in paying for just the new SMAX pizzazz. But they didn't, if you wanted the last SMAC patch you had to buy it, and get some new frills with it...
...but I've not come here for old rants.
Actually... hey DS, is CG down???

	25-03-2005 21:36									#52
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The next Poly Wishlist project: SMAC2. The game'll be announced shortly after C4 is released. Don't they have some secret project they're planning on next after C4? But then I guess they've indicated that one at least wouldn't be SMAC2. If the next project ain't SMAC2, it'll be Colonization2.

The best SMAC2 would indeed be a rewrite of the original SMAC (plus X). It would come with 21 factions out of the box. There would be a scenario to play as linear continuations of Earth nations. Maybe 7 of the factions would be Projenitors, or some of these would be factions of native life forms. The game would be released including a map of Earth in Chiron terrain. Every SMAC+X faction would be in the new game.

Other SMAC2 possibilities: SMEE (Sid Meier's Epsilon Eridani) or SMEI (Sid Meier's Epsilon Indi), where there was a separate ship that left earth, and there would be similar factions and some similar technology, but a completely different world.

SMAC System: A different rewrite, where you colonize more than just Chiron, maybe the rest of the system would be a little different than described in the original SMAC.

SMAC Interstellar: Begin somewhere in the middle of the original SMAC, but change history from there and colonize other systems. Possibly go with just a 20 to 60 light year cube around Earth, or the Local Fluff (about the same size), or the Local Bubble (quite a bit larger). I'd love it if it used what we actually know of actual stars, but I would accept it if it is random but covering approximately the same volume of space.

SMAC the Prequel: an all- progenitor game.

SIM ALPHA CENTAURI: like Sim Earth, plus Sim Life, but on Chiron or covering the whole Alpha Centauri System.

	25-03-2005 23:45									#53
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Oh yea?? Well I want to play "Sim SIM!" The Sims playing simulator, where you play the guy playtesting "The Sims"

If you can get the playtester to get his sim to play on the computer, the three of you all gaming at the same time will cause a dimensional rupture that will swallow the universe!!

.....or something like that.

	26-03-2005 00:37									#54
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Another thing about the basic rewrite version, you'd be able to play with anywhere from one to twenty opponents. Or at least up to thirteen.

	26-03-2005 00:53									#55
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Can you guys really think of more factions? I think before more factions would be possible we would need to make some more Govs/econs/values and make probe/support/morale have a greater effect so that faction diversity remains high.

	26-03-2005 01:07									#56
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If I had ever plugged into the game a faction of my own, it would have been "The Inspired", a cross between the Believers and the University. Both religion and science would be important to them. Maybe a sequel could do two sides to every coin: Two basic scientific factions, two basic religious ones, two basic environmentals, two militaristic ones, two commercial ones. One military faction could focus on technology, like the Spartans seem to have if I remember correctly, and the other could focus on manpower. I agree that new, more complex social engineering should be required, probably starting from scratch. And each faction, or some social engineering choices, could have a monopoly on one unit element, or maybe we'd abandon the unit workshop? Then each faction or some SE choice would simply have a unique unit. Or the main game could be the linear continuations of earth nations. Or we could have subfactions? Maybe borrow from The Political Machine? Or this heresy: the lack of cultural distinction!

	26-03-2005 04:29									#57
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Abandon the workshop? I don't think that's a good idea.

	26-03-2005 04:42									#58
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You're probably right. It is one of the main features of the game. I guess people have complained that it didn't work quite right, but that doesn't mean it can't be fixed. I liked it myself. I was just thinking crosspollenation was a good thing.

	26-03-2005 07:15									#59
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I was gonna suggest a different system, but someone beat me to it.

I didnt really like whole Planet storyline, and always play with transcendence truned off. Thats not to say a completely different storyline wouldnt have me rivetted.

Several other planets have been identified as being likely to produce conditions close to earth, so how about Beta Canum Venaticorum (Chara), which is 27ly away.

Would make a cool name for a game too (we need a bigger box).

	26-03-2005 07:51									#60
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Yeah, I don't like the idea too much of a game about transcendence, at least not one that people will want a sequel to.

Sid Meier's Chara? sure, but I still like SMEI and SMEE. Hmm... Sid Meier's Upsilon Andromedae... SMUA... kinda resembles the Norwegian word for butter... but I guess there isn't likely to be an earthlike planet there. Then again, that one could be all about space stations...