01-03-2005 02:05									#31
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Guess im getting old i have never heard of the bands diss just mentioned. Have any of you guy heard of Kitty? my son wants me to let him go see these women. He also wanted me to let him goto ozz fest but that was a big not since no adult could go with him, is kitty worth the 25.00 ticket?

	01-03-2005 02:17									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Cali, I love the first one "Superjudge". Very stoner

Sweet, I'll give it a shot.

	01-03-2005 02:24									#33
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Slipknot is kind of lame. I saw some interviews with them, and man are they taking themselves seriously or what? I mean they ripped the whole mask thing from Kiss and and attach some crappy grinding trash to it. And then they act like they are some kind of avantgarde installation? Theyīre almost as bad as Marilyn Manson... ****ing posers But they seem to appeal to the kids.

I stumbled on Helloweens "Dark Ride" from 2000 and it was really good. Quite a surprise as they sucked for most of the 90īs. I would say that "Dark Ride" is one of the best Helloween albums out there. Easily compared with the greatness of "Keeper..." and "Walls of Jericho".

Mrs T, Iīve never heard of Kitty. I tried to Google, but I only got a lot of "Hello Kitty" and other Kittys. But if your son likes them I guess itīs worth 25 $

	01-03-2005 03:42									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Guess im getting old i have never heard of the bands diss just mentioned. Have any of you guy heard of Kitty? my son wants me to let him go see these women. He also wanted me to let him goto ozz fest but that was a big not since no adult could go with him, is kitty worth the 25.00 ticket?

Kittie is alright for a chick band.

I have 3 songs on my hard drive. Brakkish, Charlotte, and do you think I'm a whore.

P.S. I'm the old one. Most of those bands I mentioned are 80's band . Mostly speed metal. some death metal and regular rock (queensryche) mixed in there. Sepultura is mostly 90's though. Dying Fetus is late 90's and 21st century. And I believe Lamb of God is as well.

	01-03-2005 04:34									#35
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I found the Kittie official site. How old are these girls? In some pics they look like a bunch of 15 year olds who started a punk band to piss off their parents...

	01-03-2005 04:44									#36
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I'm still listening to Opeth.

	01-03-2005 05:01									#37
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Blackwater Park

	01-03-2005 05:50									#38
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Opeth sucks.

Check out Fantomas. Their second album had some absolutely jaw-dropping covers -- The Godfather, Rosemary's Baby, etc. Their latest, "Delirium Cordia", is a single track clocking in at 74 minutes. That should be enough for anyone. It's too much for me.

	01-03-2005 06:05									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X I found the Kittie official site. How old are these girls? In some pics they look like a bunch of 15 year olds who started a punk band to piss off their parents...

I dont know how old the girls are. I have to ask my son his friend knows the drummer, so hell be able to tell me. I was just wondering of the cost of the ticket was worth it. I forgot to add that merciful fate was a good band too the song melissa is one of ther best.

	01-03-2005 07:43									#40
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Thye've changed memebers a couple of times, I think that they're all over 18. The original lineup was better, their more recent stuff is ****.

	01-03-2005 07:48									#41
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Megadeath. Symphoney of destruction. JagdPanzer is really good too

	01-03-2005 08:09									#42
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Megadeth never really was too cool to me. It just sounded....dumb.

I think most metal nad music in general died in the eighties. I can't stand hair. I like Guns N Roses, but they aren't really hair though, while they do have some hair qualities.

	01-03-2005 10:16									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident manowar is kind of cheesy. but right now I'm listening to this song called Defender (original unreleased version- whatever that mean). Not bad.

"Noone can escape me, on Black Death I ride
When kissed by the sword of Vengeance, your head lays there by your side
I take the lives of all that I once knew
The torn flesh of a slow death waits for you!"

	01-03-2005 10:21									#44
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What is actually considered heavy metal these days? Guns and roses were kind and motely crue like jp and metllica but that was in the late eighties and early nineties.

	01-03-2005 10:28									#45
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That's a difficult question to answer. Through MTV and similar channels we are flooded with pseudo-metal crap (also known as "nu-metal") that I don't really consider as metal at all. It takes more than an angry singer and a guitar to call it metal, IMO

To me, if the music "feels" like metal, it's metal. Very simple

	01-03-2005 10:31									#46
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if it has heavy guitars, it is metal. and yes that includes nu metal. Not all nu metal is bad, just most of it.

	01-03-2005 10:32									#47
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Well, if you are looking hardc0re Jewish Heavy Metal, try the Makkabees. They kick all kinds of ass.

Industrial Metal:
Laibach, Rammstein, Rob Zombie

Death Metal:
Children of Bodom, Fantomas, Finntroll, Nightwish, Tristania

Power Metal:
Freedom Call, Gamma Ray, Hammerfall, Helloween

	01-03-2005 10:35									#48
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Well, if you are looking hardc0re Jewish Heavy Metal, try the Makkabees. They kick all kinds of ass. Industrial Metal: Laibach, Rammstein, Rob Zombie Death Metal: Children of Bodom, Fantomas, Finntroll, Nightwish, Tristania Power Metal: Freedom Call, Gamma Ray, Hammerfall, Helloween

isn't Nightwish Black Metal? Black metal is not death metal.

	01-03-2005 10:36									#49
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Death Metal: Children of Bodom, Fantomas, Finntroll, Nightwish, Tristania

You must have been smoking some very interesting sh1t

EDIT: That goes for Diss as well. Nightwish black metal???
"Soft cozy power metal" would be a better term

	01-03-2005 10:36									#50
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I left my brief stay in metal after Prong and Gruntruck. Believe it or not, Sugar Ray had a serious metal song a long time ago.

Helmet is also good.

ACK!

	01-03-2005 10:46									#51
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Well, if you are looking hardc0re Jewish Heavy Metal, try the Makkabees. They kick all kinds of ass.

I didn't really like the singer, but it was cool party music!
"Ju-metal"

	01-03-2005 10:48									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid You must have been smoking some very interesting sh1t EDIT: That goes for Diss as well. Nightwish black metal??? "Soft cozy power metal" would be a better term

actually I have never really listened to Nightwish's music before, but I thought I hear done song, and it sounded like black metal. But it's possible I'm confusing them with someone else.

	01-03-2005 10:53									#53
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A link for you, Diss

	01-03-2005 11:07									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid A link for you, Diss

sounds like black/goth metal to me. When you have a chick singing in that goth type voice, I call it black metal.

	01-03-2005 11:26									#55
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Noone will stop you from doing so. And I will from now on call Dying Fetus a Eurodance band

Compare this to Nightwish. If you listen carefully, you may notice there are some subtle differences

	01-03-2005 13:05									#56
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i like old metal like black sabbath and led zeppelin.

how about goth metal? nightwish, after forever, haggard, withing temptation, sins of thy beloved

or maybe cool power metal which i like, such as sonata arctica, helloween, gamma ray, edguy,

or that i disklike like stratovarius, angra, rhapsody, blind guardian

or prog metal like symphony x and dream theater.

there is of course special categories, like new wave of brittish heavy metal which only includes Diamond Head, and New Wave of Danish Black Metal (iirc) which only includes Mercyful Faith.

	01-03-2005 17:23									#57
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Diss, Black Metal is bands like Burzum, Dimmu Borgir, Belial, Impaled Nazarene and Darkthrone. They usually look like this:



The music is fast and furious chaos and the vocals are unintelligible growls.

Nightwish is symphonic power metal. Itīs like comparing a cuddly teddybear to a homocidal wood chipper

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	01-03-2005 17:49									#58
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I found a rather lengthy (and extremely pretentious) history of heavy metal. Enjoy!

http://www.anus.com/metal/about/history.html

	01-03-2005 18:02									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski What is actually considered heavy metal these days? Guns and roses were kind and motely crue like jp and metllica but that was in the late eighties and early nineties.

The original "heavy metal" is a thing of the past really. Bands like Accept, Dio, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest are typical HM bands. Now the genre has split into a variety of sub-genres, where the HM influence is most visible in Power Metal bands like Hammerfall, Masterplan and Nightwish. But old bands like Entombed has shed their Death Metal skin and moved to a more rockīn roll/HM type of music.

New bands also play classical HM. I heard a swedish band on the radio that I thought were Dio. The singer sounded exactly like Ronnie James and the keyboards and guitar harmonies were Dio style. But to my utter surprise it was an (to me) unknown swedish band...

Genre definition of music is always hard to do. Itīs a balance between generalization and academic pickiness

	01-03-2005 19:35									#60
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Eww! Eww! Eww! Don't link to anus.com! That guy is a nutjob. :P

Anyway though, a few things I'll comment on

Laibach is not Industrial metal. Just industrial. They used guitars only on the Jesus Christ Superstars album. A great example of an industrial metal band is Samael.

Nightwish is definitely neither black metal nor death metal but power metal, although they've been moving further away from the power metal sound into more of a general heavy metal direction. They certainly don't belong to any of the extreme metal genres. Black metal isn't characterized by melodic vocals at all, but high pitched screaming.

Children of Bodom are power metal too, they've got a sort-of death-ish vocal delivery, but what defines genres of metal is the guitar playing rather than the vocal style. Tristania, Finntroll, and Fantomas aren't really death metal either. Tristania falls more into gothic doom (which I differentiate from gothic metal which applies more to bands like Moonspell, the Babylon Whores, late Cemetary, Havayoth etc) Finntroll is just weird...would just have to call them folk metal, and Fantomas largely just defies categorization entirely. I'd rather use more typical death metal bands in defining the genre: Entombed, Morbid Angel, Vader, Vital Remains etc.

www.metal-archives.com is a great place for quite accurate genre descriptions of virtually every band that has ever existed. The people on its forum are a bit insane though.

Sirotnikov: If you like Black Sabbath, you should check out bands like Saint Vitus, Trouble, and Witchfinder General. They are classic doom bands and share much in common with Sabbath.

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