03-03-2005 22:46									#31
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Well it would be interesting to have a Republican President on the show. Could give the show a whole new bent, and introduce all sorts of new issues. I wonder if it would count as jumping the shark though?

	03-03-2005 22:57									#32
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quote: Well it would be interesting to have a Republican President on the show

That's what I was expecting/hoping actually.

	03-03-2005 23:18									#33
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You mean someone other than Roseanne's husband?

	03-03-2005 23:22									#34
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OzzyKP, I'm not convinced yet, but I'm willing to be.

	03-03-2005 23:28									#35
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An open mind is definitely a start

Have you checked out the Ageism thread? I think I actually made a few coherant points over there.

	03-03-2005 23:36									#36
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quote: ending up with the President actually supporting the issue

You didn't watch the same show, did you? Barlett said it is something 'worthy of consideration', meaning I don't want to say no that bluntly to you in politikspeak.

	03-03-2005 23:40									#37
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quote: Originally posted by alva That's the great thing about the net, I've already seen the last episode while on TV they've only gone until the second series. ( well, not the last episode, I think I'm lagging two now)

Some programmes I don't watch off the net, like Stargate, when the World Premier is here rather than America for half the episodes.

Damn my bad English, but I can't be inclined to correct it.

	03-03-2005 23:43									#38
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UK terrestrial's screening series 4 right now, I've seen to the beginning of 6 though - where are you guys up to?

	03-03-2005 23:49									#39
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Other shows in syndication on cable which suck: NYPD Blue CSI MadTV Any sitcom

booo

any sitcom means you are dissing seinfeld and family guy reruns

	03-03-2005 23:57									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: ending up with the President actually supporting the issue You didn't watch the same show, did you? Barlett said it is something 'worthy of consideration', meaning I don't want to say no that bluntly to you in politikspeak.

I've watched that part several times now, I think his "worthy of consideration" is genuine. When Cody first asked a question, the President gave it a pat answer and moved on. When he asked the follow up about the voting age, he said:

President - Well as adults we aren't sholdering our responsibility and your generation has a vested interest. (kinda pauses, looks away, mulls it over, then slowly) Allowing children to vote is...worthy of consideration.

He didn't just dismiss the question, he thought about it, turned it over in his head, and then answered it was worthy of consideration. His delivery indicated he was almost as surprized to be saying it as the view to be hearing it. He thought about it, and reached the conclusion that it really did seem like a good idea. Is he going to invest himself totally in it? No. Is he 100% sold on the idea? Not quite yet. But at his point he does indeed support it, and would like to see it looked into more. Which is a lot more than we can say about our real president, or any of his predecessors.

	03-03-2005 23:59									#41
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quote: He didn't just dismiss the question, he thought about it, turned it over in his head, and then answered it was worthy of consideration.

And you consider yourself a lobbyist

It was a political blow off. You think in future episodes Bartlett is going to even create a committe for evaluation of youth voting? Pah...

	04-03-2005 00:05									#42
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That depends on how organized the "Future Leaders of Democracy" are. With such a public, and national expression of support, its now up to the activists to push him on the issue, utilize Toby as a connection, and press for a more serious look at the issue.

You don't make someone a convert with two questions. But the fact that he was able to consider it favorably after so little exposure to it is definitely something. It took an hour or two for Toby to come around, the President just intuitively sensed it was right.

Again, that doesn't mean he is going to start leaning on congress to pass a bill about it. Generating action out of that statement is up to groups like mine. Of course this is a fictional tv show and I'm sure they will move on to many other issues and not look back at this one, and I'm ok with that. Its drama. If it were real though, this statement would be incredibly significant. If it were real, I promise you I'd be invited to the White House within the month.

	04-03-2005 00:18									#43
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quote: If it were real though, this statement would be incredibly significant.

I'll repeat: And you consider yourself a lobbyist

	04-03-2005 00:20									#44
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Don't tell me how to do my job, and I won't tell you how to do yours.

	04-03-2005 00:22									#45
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Fine, but if the President responded to a minor asking him about youth voting with "it's worthy of consideration" and you started to pack your bags for a White House meeting, I'd laugh my ass off as you waited and waited for an invitation that was not forthcoming!

	04-03-2005 01:04									#46
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at Imran and Ozzy arguing the motivation and intent of fictional characters/scriptwriters.

	04-03-2005 01:18									#47
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It is a bit surreal, i'nit.

	04-03-2005 02:27									#48
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Well it would be interesting to have a Republican President on the show. Could give the show a whole new bent, and introduce all sorts of new issues. I wonder if it would count as jumping the shark though?

Considering that they'd have to replace just about the entire cast to retain credibility, I think the shark would prove to be a launch ramp to a new continent of crap.

	04-03-2005 03:04									#49
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not to mention hollywood is liberal, and wouldn't know how to write a republican president without being insulting.

actually I shouldn't say that. I remember they had that hot blonde republican chick (as if that could really happen ). Hayes was her name I believe. I stopped watching the show though- is she still on? Or did she get phased out?

	04-03-2005 03:31									#50
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After an incredible marathon sex session with Rob Lowe, she converted.

	04-03-2005 04:01									#51
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yeah I would convert after a sex marathon with Rob Lowe. He's a hottie.

	04-03-2005 04:40									#53
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She went to CSI (Miami?), no?

	04-03-2005 04:58									#54
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Alda will part of a major story arc, but if they put him in the White House with a majority in congress, where's the fun in that?

	04-03-2005 10:30									#55
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We can see how many wars he can start

	04-03-2005 10:34									#56
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Alda will part of a major story arc,

I'm thinking Hollywood was cowed by the recent election, and will start pandering to the GOP side of America.

	04-03-2005 10:44									#57
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Yeah, but he's a California Republican... what a liberal .

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Well, I think that's how they can stomach it, by making him a Schwatzneger Republican.

	04-03-2005 19:36									#59
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they have already done a heavy upgrade of the Repub/conservative presence on the show in the past year, and these characters are no longer portrayed as totally evil. The VPs are clearly flawed an idiot and a womanizer), and the WW staff has been shown to have significant foibles.

This creates a more politically balanced show. They need meaningful political conflict and the continuation of established characters, it's what the show was built on. Turning it into the Alan Alda Show with an all new cast just won't get it done.

	04-03-2005 19:39									#60
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There's always the inevitable conflict between the two and a half wings of the GOP.