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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:36
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Finding the one true religion/faith. And get rid of all the dead flesh that is false, human religion.
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A worthy task.
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A good and just God wouldn't accept evil into heaven.
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Then who of us could enter? We have all sinned, and done evil. Without forgiveness, no one would enter heaven, because, it is as you say, why would God just accept evil into heaven?
However, you also miss this. It isn't that God waved his hand away to say that our sins were forgiven, rather, Christ had to die on the cross to atone for our sins, to serve the punishment that otherwise would have been meted on us. He chose to do so because he loves each and every one of us, even while we are sinners, he gave his life.
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if one is truly sorry and remorseful for an evil act, one would not commit said act in the first place.
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We are weak. Even if we are sorry, we fall into sin, and do wrong, hurting others and ourselves.
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You take responsibility for your actions and live a good life.
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What is the good, sava? What counts as a good life? According to Christ, none of us are living a good life, we are all steeped in sin. If we were to be held responsible for our acts, we would each be cast into hell.
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If there is a God and he forgives things like murder and whatnot just because someone has faith, then I wouldn't want to live in heaven with that God.
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Is murder the worst sin one can do?
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:36
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
A worthy task. |
yay BK and Sava agree on something!  
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Then who of us could enter? We have all sinned, and done evil. Without forgiveness, no one would enter heaven, because, it is as you say, why would God just accept evil into heaven? |
evil is not in the action, but more in the person... someone can be evil and not sin... and likewise, one can sin and not be evil. BTW, I have probably a different idea of what evil is than you do.
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However, you also miss this. It isn't that God waved his hand away to say that our sins were forgiven, rather, Christ had to die on the cross to atone for our sins, to serve the punishment that otherwise would have been meted on us. He chose to do so because he loves each and every one of us, even while we are sinners, he gave his life. |
I don't agree that we are all sinners. I also don't agree with Christianity's definition of sin. I don't think premarital sex is a sin. I don't think homosexuality is a sin. I don't think working on a sabbath day is a sin.... etc...
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We are weak. Even if we are sorry, we fall into sin, and do wrong, hurting others and ourselves. |
Speak for yourself. I am strong. I don't commit what I consider to be sins. I don't commit evil acts.
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What is the good, sava? What counts as a good life? According to Christ, none of us are living a good life, we are all steeped in sin. If we were to be held responsible for our acts, we would each be cast into hell. |
Also, I believe punishment from God would be just. Not just cast into the lake of fire for all "sinners". But a punishment that would fit the "crime" so to speak. Hence, Hitler's hell is a lot different than the hell I might go to because I stole a candy bar when I was 5.
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Is murder the worst sin one can do? |
I don't know, if a sniper just picked you off from long range, instantly killing you, that would be murder. But a quick, painless death is a lot better than getting severely raped and beaten, IMO. I believe the key to understanding the worst "sin" is all grounded in the amount of suffering one endures. BTW, I also don't believe that simply causing death is a sin. I do think that abortion, which causes death, and doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill, are not sins. So it's more about suffering, IMO.
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05-03-2005 09:24
And the whole idea of forgiving anyone who accepts Jesus is the very reason Christianity is full of ****. A good and just God wouldn't accept evil into heaven.
ACK!
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