11-03-2005 09:46									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I know 7 people with Xbox's and none of them have Live.

That's pathetic; however, you yourself have said that you much prefer the PS2 (a suckfest for online gaming). Why should your friends be any different?

Xbox Live is the best thing that has happened to a console for a long time.

Every single person I know who has an Xbox has Xbox Live.

	11-03-2005 10:48									#32
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Xbox Live is great, and of the six friends I know with Xbox, 5 of them have Live, and the other would get it, but he is low on cash.

	11-03-2005 12:20									#33
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Yeah, I won't be doing XBox Live either. I don't care for playing games online, but no worries, since I enjoy the single player XBox games as well.

I also have an XBox and haven't even thought about getting Live.

	11-03-2005 18:00									#34
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Your not even waiting to see what Sony will have to offer? We know next to nothing about the PS3, but it does seem that, this time, it will have more horsepower than the Xbox 2. Of course, you could always buy both.

It'll have more horsepower in that the PS2 theoretically has more horsepower than the Xbox.

It's not an optimal design for game consoles, and it won't ever reach its theoretical performance. Not even close.

If it's good, I'll buy it. I'm thinking the Xbox2 will own the PS3 in performance, just because its development tools are both mature and familiar to developers, and it's a far more practical design than a Cell-based architecture is for a game console. Cell derives it's power from being massively parallel, and game development is notoriously difficult to make parallel.

	11-03-2005 18:01									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Speak for yourself.

I speak for about 95% of the market, at which point a plurality becomes reasonable.

	11-03-2005 18:03									#36
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike That's pathetic; however, you yourself have said that you much prefer the PS2 (a suckfest for online gaming). Why should your friends be any different? Xbox Live is the best thing that has happened to a console for a long time. Every single person I know who has an Xbox has Xbox Live.

I only know one person without Xbox Live who owns an Xbox.

Maybe we just know less anti-social people.

	12-03-2005 01:11									#37
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Here is another significant issue: the Blu-Ray - HD/DVD battle.

Microsoft is, AFAIK, still sticking with having Xbox2 go with the HD-DVD format, while Sony says PS3 will, upon launch, be a Blu-Ray player.

Blu-Ray will give Sony the advantage as far as how much content could go on a single disc. I don't know how long it will take for this format competition to end and a winner to be declared; probably not before both next-gen consoles launch, but if it seems that Blu-Ray is going to be it, Xbox 2 may get hurt.

	12-03-2005 01:18									#38
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If you had read my thread, you know the one on the same exact subject, you would have read the following:

quote: Optical Drive - As many have speculated, Xenon will not use Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Games will come on dual-layer DVD-9 discs. While the media is the same as that of the current Xbox, the usable space on each disc is up to 7 GB. The drive is slated to run at 12X.

7 GB is more than enough room for games. I don't see the point in using Blu-Ray or HD-DVD given that most don't have HD TVs.

	12-03-2005 01:21									#39
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Perhaps even worse, then.

	12-03-2005 01:26									#40
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I think Sony will just hurt themselves by using a very expensive, untested component in the PS3.

	12-03-2005 01:33									#41
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I don't think they'll have any problems with the Blu-Ray not working, and they'll absorb any added cost of adding the drive without hesitation if they think it will help guarantee Blu-Ray's dominance.

On top of that, Blu-Ray would probably fit the bill for the PS4 as far as storage capacity.

	12-03-2005 01:35									#42
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I don't think it will give the PS3 an advantage for games. Like I said, 7 GB is more than enough room for games. It will give the PS3 an advantage for HD movies. But it's not a big advantage, since most people don't own HD TVs anyway. Btw, Apple is on the Blu-Ray team now.

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	12-03-2005 03:14									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I only know one person without Xbox Live who owns an Xbox. Maybe we just know less anti-social people.

Maybe...

...or maybe it's just the opposite and you don't like talking to anyone, even over the internet (unless it's text on a forum )

	12-03-2005 08:21									#44
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If the PS3 ships with a Blu-Ray drive, it will
1) Cost a fortune
2) Be problematic "first-gen" hardware

I think Sony will reconsider before shipping.

	12-03-2005 08:29									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Asher If the PS3 ships with a Blu-Ray drive, it will 1) Cost a fortune 2) Be problematic "first-gen" hardware I think Sony will reconsider before shipping.

Not first-gen, NEXT GEN. I can already picture the marketing.

And I still think they'd have the problems worked out.

	12-03-2005 15:26									#46
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Somehow I'd got the impression you were an X-Box fan.

	13-03-2005 06:17									#47
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I am. I think Sony and Nintendo are both going to lose ground to Microsoft. That doesn't mean those two companies won't do something right every once in a while.

	15-03-2005 18:09									#48
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I don't think it will give the PS3 an advantage for games. Like I said, 7 GB is more than enough room for games. It will give the PS3 an advantage for HD movies. But it's not a big advantage, since most people don't own HD TVs anyway. Btw, Apple is on the Blu-Ray team now.

Games are already coming out that use 4GB. unless developers get their bloatware tendencies under control, 7GB games aren't far away.

	15-03-2005 23:42									#49
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quote: Games are already coming out that use 4GB. unless developers get their bloatware tendencies under control, 7GB games aren't far away.

4GB? Surely that's not common? It seems that the price of developing a game for the next-generation of systems is going to skyrocket, because of all the extra content they'll have to create. And that makes everyone very nervous. They could always go procedural like Will Wright. Check the thread on Spore, his new game.

	16-03-2005 00:41									#50
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Many games are around the 4GB mark or just below. Thing is the pace of affordable hard drive capacity has risen along with the capacity required.

My first drive was 800MB, and it was MASSIVE. Now I have that 275 times over. It was only 9 years ago as well.

	16-03-2005 00:45									#51
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The beta alone for WoW was 2.5 GB (that you had to download )

I'm sure that actual game is 4 GB or more.

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	16-03-2005 01:01									#52
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Yeah, WoW is a huge game. Btw, it seems that you won't have to install games in Longhorn. Microsoft want to make PC gaming as painless and effortless as console gaming. So pop the disk in your PC and it should work. Dream on, Microsoft!

	16-03-2005 05:39									#53
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KOTOR and KOTOR 2 are also very large.

	16-03-2005 05:47									#54
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Yeah, WoW is a huge game. Btw, it seems that you won't have to install games in Longhorn. Microsoft want to make PC gaming as painless and effortless as console gaming. So pop the disk in your PC and it should work. Dream on, Microsoft!

That's what XNA is about.

It's a custom version of an upcoming Visual Studio that makes game development faster, easier, cheaper...and as a curious sideeffect only works on Xbox and Windows Longhorn.

	16-03-2005 07:05									#55
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They're also claiming that, for the users, PC gaming will become as painless and effortless as console gaming. The so-called "tray and play". I'm sceptical about that.

	16-03-2005 15:57									#56
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Once they've elbowed every other player out of the market so that all the hardware applies the standards in the same way, they may be right

I saw the spore thread. It looks great as a concept, but I'm not really a fan of directionless gaming, which his implementation appeared to be. That is the main reason I still love Sim City 2 more than 3 or 4. The scenarios gave you more of a purpose to building the city than pure godlike whim.

	16-03-2005 16:07									#57
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can it play SMAC?

didn't think so. Inferior product.

	16-03-2005 20:20									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident can it play SMAC? didn't think so. Inferior product.

Move to the modern age, Diss.

	16-03-2005 21:46									#59
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SMAC is better then......those bullshittt games you people play

*still plays moo2/civ2 sometimes......*

	16-03-2005 22:08									#60
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by nostromo
They're also claiming that, for the users, PC gaming will become as painless and effortless as console gaming. The so-called "tray and play". I'm sceptical about that. [/QUOTE


that would seem to be the logical direction for PC gaming to go and one tht all parties with a stake in PC gaming would have an incentive to follow.