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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by VJ
Yes, but I wouldn't blame that on Chirac, just like I don't blame the destructive widespread cocaine use and glorification of pornography in US in the late 1970s on Carter. |
It would be wrong to blame it entirely on Chirac and his team indeed. The French society is suffering from the ill effects of globalization, and from a massive societal change. However, Chirac's team is significantly responsible for the malaise as well, because they have punished the unemployed, because they do nothing for the workers, and because they generally only care for the employers except when it's political suicide. Unless you're the kind of guy who thinks that the interests of the employers are always morally superior to the interestes of the employees, you can understand what's wrong with that.
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Edit: to clarify: IMO it's the selfish French people who are to blame, refusing to budge even towards minor reforms, constantly striking and taking somesort of bizarre pleasure from only making their own problems worse (you seem to be happy because French economy will suffer because of the strike -- I think that's a very odd attitude, it's your nation, you live in it, it's you who'll suffer from it). |
1. I'm a commie. It's my nature to enjoy strikes. However, my party represents at best 8% of the French people.
2. The strikes doesn't come from a bizarre pleasure of blocking the economy (which you'll see in Sava's and Odin's posts rather than mine, btw). They come from several causes, the main one being the strong social malaise happening in France at the time.
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:24
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Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
the unions are pretty strong eh? |
Actually, French unions are very weak in France in comparison with other European countries because of the nature of the French class warfare. The unions and the employers agree on at least one thing: the Unions shouldn't be responsible for the management of a company. Unlike in, say, Germany, where there's a general understanding between unionists and employers, the French class warfare is highly polarized between employers and employees, who generally misunderstand/hate each other (and these times, the blame can be laid on the employers more than on the employees).
As a result, many people are afraid to go union, or simply don't trust the unionjs to havce responsible demands. That's the two main reasons why unions are so weak. BTW, since Chirac's re-election, the employers have become more arrogant and assholish than before, and the unions (excpet the "consensual" one) have made significant progresses. Considering that the State doesn't defend the interests of the common man anymore, that's not a surprise.
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:24
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
It'd be nice to see the government break the stikers (by not giving in, not by pummeling them), but the French have no balls to do that. |
Our government generally uses more subtle methods. It's hard to tell the train-drivers to go **** themselves, because they are well organized, but pretty much every other profession is ridiculed by the govt.
For example, truck drivers are among the most exploitated people in France. They generally manage a serious strike once a decade, because their extremely precarious lifestyle prevents them from doing any more. The two last time, the government announced significant improvements for the everyday life of truck drivers. Useless to say, they never respected their promises 
Fortunately, the train drivers live in less precarious conditions, and if they're ****ed with, they can go on strike and block the economy again. They're among the few professions that can reallw get listened to when they go on strike 
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