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Attacking it with reason and justified cause is proper, since religion is an error of humanity.


some people think gays are errors of humanity. how are those two statements any different?

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some people think gays are errors of humanity. how are those two statements any different?


Because gay people cannot control who they are... religionists can abandon their philosophy of errors.

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hmmm thats very true . . .

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Imran: some of the bits of criticism in the wiki article you posted are pretty strange, its like they're denying the strength of Arianism and the role of Sophia (often conflated with the holy spirit) as a female figure in Gnostic Christianity.

That's not to say that I don't think there's lots of BS in the book...

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This is presumably some kind of early April Fools' Day jape by the Vatican- I mean, a Cardinal criticising a book for telling big hairy fibs about religion ?


Whatever next- the Vatican telling the truth about the Banco Ambrosiano scandal, or coming clean about what is and isn't fiction in the bible ?


" Who killed God's banker?

Jim McBeth


The Ģ9,000 Patek Philippe watch on the wrist of Roberto Calvi was exclusive, but not waterproof. Its hands had stopped at 1:50am, the approximate time the man, who was to become known as "God’s Banker", died.

Since that day - 19 June 1982 - the official story is that he committed suicide.

Calvi’s body was found suspended under Blackfriars Bridge in London by a length of orange cord around his neck and the water of the Thames swirling about his hand-crafted leather shoes. Seven bricks were stuffed into the pockets of his clothes and the waistband of his trousers. In the inside jacket pocket of his elegant grey suit, he had four pairs of spectacles and a false Italian passport. His wallet contained Ģ10,000 in Sterling, Swiss francs and Italian lire.

In the week before his death, the former head of the disgraced Banco Ambrosiano, the largest private banking institution in Italy, had made a gruelling, clandestine journey, smuggled from his homeland to London. It involved three false identities, eight flights around Europe, a speed boat journey from the former Yugoslavia, four different car trips and 14 temporary residences in Zurich, Amsterdam, Edinburgh and London.

Calvi, who became known as "God’s Banker" because of his close association with the Vatican, had been forced to flee Italy after his Banco Ambrosiano went bankrupt with debts of up to Ģ1 billion.

It was later learned that much of the money had been siphoned off via the Vatican bank, which was run by Archbishop Paul Marcinkus, an American.

The Vatican later refused to admit any legal responsibility for the bank’s downfall but did acknowledge it had a "moral involvement" and paid Ģ200 million to its creditors.

However, the Vatican, in the person of Pope John Paul II, has consistently refused to hand Marcinkus over to the Italian authorities. The Archbishop, whom John Paul II brought with him on his 1982 visit to Scotland, is now living in a humble US parish under the protection of a Vatican State diplomatic passport. "


http://news.scotsman.com/archive.cf..._CUR_DOCUMENT=1

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This reminds me of when the Onion did an article claiming the Harry Potter books were Satanic and the story started circulating amongst some Baptist churches as a true warning to Christians

We had local pastor denying he had warned his flock based on the article

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This reminds me of when the Onion did an article claiming the Harry Potter books were Satanic and the story started circulating amongst some Baptist churches as a true warning to Christians

We had local pastor denying he had warned his flock based on the article




Yeah, but we're talking about Baptists. For all that I criticize the Catholic Church it can still look back at a scholarly tradition which includes people like Aquinas and William of Ockham and Duns Scotus Erigena.


Who are the Baptists going to counter with ? Pastor Fudd of Thrubbville, Miss. ?

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Fiction book in not fact shocker.

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Fiction book in not fact shocker.



Yes but the author has not done himself any favours by claiming in television interviews that his book is more akin to (ghastly word) 'faction'.


It's not exactly 'Schindler's Ark' we're talking about is it ?


It's a concatenation and conflation of myths, hoaxes and misinterpretations into a worldwide bestseller, lapped up by the usual slack-jawed credulous types who'd believe anything with a spurious wrapping of historical 'authenticity' . There are apparently already 'Da Vinci Code' tours of Paris:

" Da Vinci mystery tour piques Paris

Amelia Gentleman, Paris
Sunday September 12, 2004
The Observer

The Church of St Sulpice has many attractions - notably its Delacroix mural. So it is a matter of deep regret to church officials that most visitors are now attracted primarily by a huge bronze candlestick, used by an evil albino monk to batter a nun to death in Dan Brown's best-selling novel, The Da Vinci Code.
Some 20,000 people have visited the Left Bank building over the summer, most in search of the vivid murder scene set in the church.

With more than 10 million copies sold worldwide - 500,000 in French - The Da Vinci Code has now given birth to its own tourist industry: three companies have recently launched tours of Paris taking in the book's principal locations - the Gare St Lazare, the Ritz, the US Embassy and the Louvre.

The Louvre's official position is disdainful. 'None of our curators will talk about the book. It's a work of fiction and we don't see it as our job to discuss it,' a woman in the press office says.

But, at the information booth, Daniel-Richard Leroy is more helpful. Most intriguing to him is the question of whether Pei's glass pyramid really has 666 panes of glass, as the book suggests, in a deliberate Satanic reference. He has counted only 634: 'It's very simple to calculate, and it's quite obvious that there aren't 666 of them.'

The Da Vinci tourists make their way from the pyramid to cast a quick glance at the Mona Lisa, but are primarily interested in the stretch of parquet where the naked body of the Louvre's elderly curator is discovered. "


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inte...02649%2C00.html



Aaahh yes. Here's a work by one of the most famous polymaths ever to have lived, showcasing his technique of sfumato, a painting world famous for the enigmatic expression on the subject's face.

And here's a bit of parquet flooring mentioned in a trashy bestseller.


Ooohh, that gloriously wrought parquet, how wonderful to me and infinitely preferable to a portrait by da Vinci.

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Yes but the author has not done himself any favours by claiming in television interviews that his book is more akin to (ghastly word) 'faction'.


Of course he has, look at his sales.

The controversy is absolutely brilliant for him, he should do all he can to stoke it.

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Of course he has, look at his sales.

The controversy is absolutely brilliant for him, he should do all he can to stoke it.



Aaah, evidently I wasn't referring to the units he shifted- rather his credibility.


I find him as credible as ooohhh, say, Jeffrey Archer.

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He's a popular thriller writer not James Joyce.

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"Da Vinci Code" and "Angels and Demons (?)" were both enjoyable fluff along the lines of a Michael Chrichton read. The more interesting bits were discussions about church history wrt knights Templar and Illuminati respectively. Whether there is any basis to the so called renditions of those 'histories' is another matter.

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Exactly. A pretty enjoyable thriller, good train, plane or holiday fodder. Doesn't require too much thinking.

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Unfortunately, not everyone gets that is fiction. One of the Churches that the book centers around in France gets plenty of pilgrims of people who think the book is real.

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The book isn't entirely fictional. But you know what? I'm tired of your strawmans. I'm withdrawing from this thread.


Iīm starting to see a trend here, everytime Fez is called on some of the statements he pulls out of his ass, heīs like "idiots, I will not grace you with my prescense anymore. Iīm leaving" Great debating skills

And the da Vinci code sucks. Firstly because itīs based on bogus facts and try to pretend they are actual facts. Secondly because Dan Brown is a crappy writer and he has far too many plot twists in the book. In the end you really donīt give a **** about what the grail really is.

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These are works of fiction, right?

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But itīs portrayed as a book based on facts. **** the church and their concerns, Iīm appaled by the flat out lying by Dan Brown.

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If a work of fiction presents itself as based on facts, and someone believes it, knowing that its a work of fiction, whose fault is it? I mean, no one gets upset about the Amittyville Horror.

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But if they donīt know that itīs a work of fiction and think that itīs real? The autor lies because he makes money of it. Thatīs what I donīt like...

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If you want to see something claiming to be "based on facts" but grossly distorted go and watch a hollywood movie.

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Or, as many people pointed out here, read the bible.

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I personally was amazed that I saw so many people with that book in the subways, all the time. Yet, I have never had even the slightest inclination of reading it.

My book spending dollars are better spent getting all the Discworld novels....

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The central claim of the book, written by American Dan Brown, is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children. The Bible says Jesus never married, was crucified and rose from the dead.


Even if the Book is fiction (and I havenīt read it so far),
how can Bertone say, that the bible claims that Jesus was unmarried and had no children?

The bible doesnīt mention a wife or children of Jesus,
but this of course doesnīt mean that there were not wife or children, just that they (if existent) werenīt mentioned.

I never came across a passage where it explicit says
"Till his death Jesus had no wife and children".

Maybe someone with more knowledge of the NT can point me to a passage where such things are mentioned (if they exist )

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Saying Jesus had kids is a HUGE statement with regards to Chrisitian ideology. Jesus is supposedly both man and God. Children of Jesus would trully then be children of God..how does that work?? If desecendents of Jesus take communion, are they eating their ancestor (you know, the bit about transubstantiation?) And why would Jesus spend his last supper (knowing it was that) with his apostles and not even have the wife over??

Not mentioning a wife and kids is a rather huge oversight.

Of course, the book could always have claimed Jesus had an affair with Magdalene and she had kids during that 20 year Gap in jesus' life the bible never mentions. Keep the wife reference out, makes it more plausible.

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The claim in the book is that in those times it would be so unusual for a man Jesus age not to be married that the fact the bible doesn't mention him not being married is telling evidence that he was.

It seems like it's total speculation either way.

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Not mentioning a wife and kids is a rather huge oversight.


As was leaving out the 13th apostle....

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...that 20 year Gap in jesus' life the bible never mentions.


That's bad storytelling.


Thanx to Kevin Smith....

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In those times I think 'having an affair and kids' is much less plausible than 'being married and having kids'.

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And the da Vinci code sucks. Firstly because itīs based on bogus facts and try to pretend they are actual facts. Secondly because Dan Brown is a crappy writer and he has far too many plot twists in the book. In the end you really donīt give a **** about what the grail really is.


Never having read Brown, when I read Da Vinci COde I actually enjoyed the plot twists, knowing full well it was the equivalent of a pulp novel. However upon reading Angels and Demons, I came to teh conclusion the man is a one trick pony. Angels and Demons is essentially the same story with different villains. I knew the outcome 1/3 of the way into the book.

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The Gospel of Mary Magdelene hints at Mary and the Lord having something of a relationship.

 
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