19-03-2005 22:34									#31
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Fischer directly violated the rules of an embargo, disobeying a paper sent to him by the US State Department. That's unlawful. In fact, he even spat on that particular paper.

	19-03-2005 23:02									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Fischer directly violated the rules of an embargo, disobeying a paper sent to him by the US State Department. That's unlawful. In fact, he even spat on that particular paper.

good, he should have wiped his ass with it

	19-03-2005 23:11									#33
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Beyond the point. He did violate the law, which is obvious. That's why the end result.

	19-03-2005 23:15									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Beyond the point. He did violate the law, which is obvious. That's why the end result.

and abolitionists pre-civil-war violated the law too...

obeying the law for law's sake?

disobeying an unjust law...

	19-03-2005 23:20									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Sava and abolitionists pre-civil-war violated the law too... obeying the law for law's sake? disobeying an unjust law...

And yet, disobeying a law that was, at worse, ambiguous is not cause for resounding endorsement. He felt that the law was unjust, but what if I think that paying taxes is unjust, and stop. I doubt many leftists would say that I was taking a stand on principle and fighting for justice.

	19-03-2005 23:24									#36
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quote: but what if I think that paying taxes is unjust, and stop.

decent enough example...

but you would be wrong.

so says Sava

	19-03-2005 23:33									#37
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Yes, disobeying amibigious laws, I can agree with you. However, if a person does not receive punishment for disobeying a law, it undermines the justice system. If the law is so retarded that the majority sees it, the Parlament should be endorsed to repeal it and vote on the issue. But everyone can't be allowed to decide which laws to obey.

I may think that killing guys who say something foul to my girlfriend is not wrong.

Actually, there's a ton of ways to do something real bad to a person without violating the law. And you can't do anything in return, because that would be a violation... dammit.

	19-03-2005 23:40									#38
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quote: However, if a person does not receive punishment for disobeying a law, it undermines the justice system

quote: But everyone can't be allowed to decide which laws to obey.

there's such a thing as prosecutorial discretion...

	19-03-2005 23:58									#39
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Shoot em all and let Ctulhlu rkay sort them out - that's justice .

	20-03-2005 08:50									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Solver I read the title as "Free Booby Fisher". Fischer either is an idiot or has become one. Why the hell does he also feel he needs to make that stupidity obvious. I think that after 9/11 he appeared on the radio saying that this is what the USA deserves.

He wants to become a god in Canada.

	20-03-2005 08:59									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Well, he isn´t the only one to think that the US had it comin´

I think the WAY he said it was striking, especially since he was still a US citizen at the time.

quote: a similar episode occurred after the September 11, 2001 terrorism attacks. Here, Fischer gave a broadcast interview to Bombo Radyo, a small public-radio station based in Baguio City in the Philippines. "This is all wonderful news," Fischer said. "I applaud the act. The U.S. and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians, just slaughtering them for years. Robbing them and slaughtering them. Nobody gave a ****. Now it's coming back to the U.S. **** the U.S. I want to see the U.S. wiped out."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer

	20-03-2005 11:08									#42
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I forget the link to his site, edit: found but he's basically become a cross between a conspiracy theorist and a Nazi.

He believes that Rumsfeld is a Jew, IIRC. I wouldn't take any of the man's actions seriously at this point. He has always been unhinged and obnoxious. People only put up with it for so long because he could beat the Russians at chess.

	20-03-2005 11:21									#43
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As much as I abhor his views, it seems he is being persecuted, perhaps partly because of those views. Is anyone here suggesting that his opinions on 911 or anytning else is reason to imprison him? And if not, why are you making it the issue?

	20-03-2005 11:27									#44
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I'm just saying I don't think he's what posters here are making him out to be. He's not some great activist who decided to break an unjust law in protest. He's simply a lunatic who decided to spite the US and/or Great Jewish Conspiaracy by disobeying them on purpose, and he's avoiding the consequences, consequences that regular people would have to face. He has been able to avoid consequences all his life because he was brilliant at chess.

	20-03-2005 11:30									#45
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh As much as I abhor his views, it seems he is being persecuted, perhaps partly because of those views. Is anyone here suggesting that his opinions on 911 or anytning else is reason to imprison him? And if not, why are you making it the issue?

The issue, excuse me, is that he intentionally violated an economic sanction, having been clearly briefed and understanding what the result would be if he did so. I have no problem with his actions provided that he is willing to pay the penalty, which is no less than any ordinary person would have to do for breaking a law.

	20-03-2005 12:05									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi He wants to become a god in Canada.

What connection are you attempting to refer to other than the nationality of the thread starter?

	20-03-2005 12:06									#47
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Anyhow, Bobby's a whack job. He broke the law, he goes to jail...

	20-03-2005 12:13									#48
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quote: Against the Law It's against the law to walk, and against the law to talk Against the law to loaf, against the law to work Against the law to read, against the law to write Against the law to be a black, a brown, or white Everything's against the law I'm a low-pay daddy singing the high-price blues It's against the law to eat, against the law to drink Against the law to worry, against the law to think Against the law to marry or try to settle down Against the law to ramble like a bum from town to town Everything's against the law I'm a low-pay daddy singing the high-price blues It's against the law to come, against the law to go Against the law to ride, against the law to roll Against the law to hug and against the law to kiss Against the law to shoot, against the law to miss Everything's against the law I'm a low-pay daddy singing the high-price blues It's against the law to gamble, against the law to roam Against the law to organize or try to build a home Against the law to sing, it's against the law to dance Against the law to tell you all the trouble on my hands Everything in Winston-Salem is against the law I'm a low-pay daddy singing the high-price blues

Throwing people in jail for playing chess (or for accepting money for playing chess) is ridiculous.

Would it be possible for a judge to dismiss this case as frivolous should Fischer be arrested?

	20-03-2005 12:21									#49
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quote: Throwing people in jail for playing chess (or for accepting money for playing chess) is ridiculous.

No it isn't.

	20-03-2005 13:40									#50
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quote: As much as I abhor his views, it seems he is being persecuted, perhaps partly because of those views. Is anyone here suggesting that his opinions on 911 or anytning else is reason to imprison him? And if not, why are you making it the issue?

Bobby has been on the wrong side of the law since the early 90s. The feds were after him long before 9/11. Of course, he would have been a more sympathetic character if he hadn't shot off his mouth about 9/11, but even the nasty stuff he said about 9/11 or the Jews is not against the law, AFAIK.

One irony is that what he said would be against the law in many western countries.

	20-03-2005 13:49									#51
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He's an idiotic loon, though I am not sure what good will jailing him do, besides the very slim deterrence that will stop all professional sportsmen from perfroming in countries under embargo

	20-03-2005 13:53									#52
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Implying that chess players are "professional sportsmen" is more offensive than anything Fischer said...

	20-03-2005 14:04									#53
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Is he a professional? yes.

Now comes the question whether he's a sportsman: According to the american definition, AFAIK, hunting and fisching ( ) are sports, so why not chess?

	20-03-2005 18:37									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I guess it is a new platform of the European left that athletes and entertainers are now above the law.

It's just balancing out the platforms of the church and the rightwing that clerics and corporate crooks are above the law.

	23-03-2005 02:35									#55
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The interesting thing is that Sava or other wussy Kerry-lovers are quick to endorse sanctions as a tool of policy in apposition to force.

	23-03-2005 02:39									#56
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I was going to write a somewhat coherent response detailing the difference between economic/military sanctions and restricting American citizen's right to travel wherever they like, but my words would be lost on the hawkish freedom hating dopes.

but it's nice to know I have "apposition" to force...

I'll save my words for people who have above a 4th grade education.

	23-03-2005 02:51									#57
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based on his past and current anctics there is a pretty good chance that Mr. Fischer suffers from a mental illness. But until that can be established, the system needs to treat him as a competent person and he needs to obey applicable laws. Whether the law in question was sensible or just, he flouted it in a major way-- would not relocating the match have allowed him to comply ??

AS for violating laws generally . . . the fact that a law is repealed is irrelevant . .. it was the law at the time-- Consider its now illegal to transport Canadian cattle acrosss the US border. If someone was caught doing that today and the transport ban was lifted in 3 months, the offender should still face their charges

	23-03-2005 05:23									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Implying that chess players are "professional sportsmen" is more offensive than anything Fischer said...

Offensive to chess players.

	23-03-2005 09:15									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I was going to write a somewhat coherent response detailing the difference between economic/military sanctions and restricting American citizen's right to travel wherever they like, but my words would be lost on the hawkish freedom hating dopes. but it's nice to know I have "apposition" to force... I'll save my words for people who have above a 4th grade education.

woo...oosh

	23-03-2005 13:17									#60
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It seems Bobby has been granted an icelandic citizenship.