23-03-2005 20:28									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha If they are being passed on then they are inherently superior to anything that doesn't get passed on.

Not really-poor genes will thrive absent serious environmental challange since everyone gets to have sex and offspring that live.

Now, if the NOrth and the South wer eto be nuked by an outside power, then we would see which gene pool was better by noting the survivors.

	23-03-2005 20:30									#32
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Poor genes that get passed on aren't poor genes.

The quality of a gene is relative to the environment.

	23-03-2005 20:31									#33
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kuci, ... no I don't find any words for this.. I mean don't get offen.. BAahahaha!

	23-03-2005 21:33									#35
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Old news, we've been having fun with this on CG for the last couple of days... I'm fast coming to the conclusion that Oerdin is a closet creationist...

I like to create speed bumps out of creationists if that's what you mean.

	23-03-2005 21:34									#36
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Pekka

(and I don't even know what he is laughing at)

	23-03-2005 21:34									#37
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Kuci is right: "good genes" is not a proper biological term.

	23-03-2005 21:36									#38
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and we are all beautiful children of God

	23-03-2005 21:46									#39
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quote: Now, if the NOrth and the South wer eto be nuked by an outside power, then we would see which gene pool was better by noting the survivors.

You know how to run a farm Gepap

	23-03-2005 22:01									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin How many forums are making the same thread without noting that fewer then 12 (more likely half that) IMAX theaters are involved with this in the entire US.

Just been reading the CG thread Oerdin - all I can say is OUCH!

	24-03-2005 06:34									#41
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Not really-poor genes will thrive absent serious environmental challange since everyone gets to have sex and offspring that live. Now, if the NOrth and the South wer eto be nuked by an outside power, then we would see which gene pool was better by noting the survivors.

So, quick question here: people in a warm temperate zone that are armed, spread out, and know how to farm are going to fare worse then people in a colder temperate zone who congregate in cities and can't farm?

	24-03-2005 06:46									#42
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There are a few blue states with very good farming, like Minnesota and the uber-blue California where they grow anything. Plus the blue states are rich enough to import food...

	24-03-2005 06:56									#43
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In the event of a nuclear war this will not be the case.

	24-03-2005 07:23									#44
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If you won't go to a movie about volcanoes because it mentions DNA, you might be a redneck.

	24-03-2005 07:25									#45
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In the event of a nuclear war, I'm joining up with the Humungus.

	24-03-2005 07:41									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Yup, that's trifle. However, it's certainly not the first time (nor the last) that a similar trifle thing is happening. I think the trend does show that your religious nutjobs gain in prominence, not only in politics, but in society as well. And it's something you Yanks would better be careful about now, before it's too late.

England has had to deal with it too...hmmm, I see what you're saying.

	24-03-2005 22:43									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha If they are being passed on then they are inherently superior to anything that doesn't get passed on.

Someone who's never heard of the Habsburgs or watched 'Deliverance' .

	24-03-2005 22:46									#48
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molly, you know that he's perfectly right, biologically?

	24-03-2005 22:55									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel molly, you know that he's perfectly right, biologically?

Tell that to Carlos II.

" Charles II of Spain, the most grotesque monarch of the 17th century, was a travesty of a king. Generations of royal intermarriage had culminated in Charles, a creature so defective in mind and body as to be scarcely even a man. He was born in 1661, the product of his father's old age, and his brief life consisted chiefly of a passage from prolonged infancy to premature senility. He was not weaned until he was five, could not walk until he was 10 and was considered too feeble for the rigours of education.

In Charles the famous Habsburg chin reached such massive proportions that he was unable to chew, and his tongue was so large he was barely able to speak. Lame, epileptic, bald at the age of 35, Charles suffered one further disability, politically more significant than all the rest: he was impotent.

The Spanish King inability to produce an heir was common knowledge throughout Europe, and a subject of most intense concern. "


Not so much a gene pool as a mucky puddle.

http://website.lineone.net/~johnbidmead/Spain.htm

http://www.pwestern.f9.co.uk/maximilia/index3h.htm

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos You know how to run a farm Gepap

I know how to get those who do to farm for me

	24-03-2005 23:11									#51
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so he didn't pass on his genes and is superior how?

	25-03-2005 08:59									#52
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Many churches which teach creationism also encourage early marriage and larger families, so a creationist who has 4 children by an average age of 25 will easily outbreed the atheist who has 1 child by an average age of 35. Creationists do believe in the survival of the fittest and the odds look good for their survival, less sure about those who believe in evolutionism, they will easily be outbred. Maybe superior ideology and theology is encoded in superior genes!!!???

	25-03-2005 09:10									#53
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Don't you just hate it when you can't tell when people are either trying too hard to be funny or not hard enough to be serious?

	25-03-2005 09:58									#54
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quote: Originally posted by trev Many churches which teach creationism also encourage early marriage and larger families, so a creationist who has 4 children by an average age of 25 will easily outbreed the atheist who has 1 child by an average age of 35. Creationists do believe in the survival of the fittest and the odds look good for their survival, less sure about those who believe in evolutionism, they will easily be outbred. Maybe superior ideology and theology is encoded in superior genes!!!???

Of course, were any of this true, we'd have already seen the extinction of atheists (I'll ignore youre misuse of the term "evolutionists" to be synonymous with it, since that isn't the case). However, there has been a steady increase in the percentage of people in the world who are atheist. Which is, of course, because religious dogma isn't an inherited trait.

	25-03-2005 09:59									#55
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Oh, and as an update, the Fort Worth theater that had refused to show it has reversed course and is now going to show it.

	25-03-2005 10:30									#56
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Boris don't tell them that! They are conviced that these handful of theaters represent the whole of the US market so if you enlighten them with the truth their whole world view will colapse.

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quote: molly, you know that he's perfectly right, biologically?

Not really. Biology doesn't say that successful genes are good. Good and bad are concepts that we can impose on human genetics arbitrarily.

	26-03-2005 06:23									#58
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Christ on a pogo stick.

Now the museum here in Columbus is starting to get complaints from fundies about the movie.

	26-03-2005 20:10									#59
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Geez, people, get your facts straight before you complain. It's not just some silly evolution thing that's getting this film dismissed. Just listen to the narration: "building pressure...eruption...spurting fluid everywhere."

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

	26-03-2005 22:07									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo quote: molly, you know that he's perfectly right, biologically? Not really. Biology doesn't say that successful genes are good. Good and bad are concepts that we can impose on human genetics arbitrarily.

In the context of biology, saying "good genes" generally isn't interpreted as a normative statement but as referring to the survival value of the gene.