24-03-2005 03:04									#31
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Do people imagine that God has no sense of humour?

	24-03-2005 03:12									#32
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god is an omnipotent anti gay luddite!

	24-03-2005 03:14									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi The drawing is offensive, but this should not be a criminal matter. However, I wonder if the European Leftists who are so horrified over this censorship are as equally upset against censorship over Nazi symbols such as the swastika.

Censoring swastikas is weak. I can understand that in Germany it's still a delicate symbol. But for everyone else it would be absurd to censor a swastika. It's just a symbol found anywhere and everywhere in ancient cultures. I have just seen a few Roman tombstones and inscriptions in Newcastle with swastikas on it!

It's just a symbol, and if the people who give a certain meaning to that particular symbol are gone, then it's not offensive anymore. imo

	24-03-2005 03:16									#34
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quote: It's intentionally offensive to 3 bilions of people

That's a good thing, not bad.

	24-03-2005 03:53									#35
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I talk to God he approves of that painting. The rest of you can go to hell!

	24-03-2005 04:23									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio It's not as if they are forced to view the pictures, so nothing wrong here...

One buying a paper or browsing the web do not expect such thing.
Also, nothing is bad when it's done at home. Place where You do things has no impact on their moral value.

quote: He was drawing a picture, not throwing people in jail.

Imagine me showing a picture of some slimy, evil, deceitful Jew planning the doom of the mankind. It'd also be a picture, and it'd be forbidden

quote: I think you are over-generalizing just a tad. Not all of Christians and Muslims would be offended by this. Just the ones who have no sense of humor and are overly sensitive.

Christians are used to being criticised in a rude manner, true. But it's not about ones that do not, it's about ones that do. Some wouldn't mind totalitarian regime, but it doesn't mean that we should establish it.

quote: Humor is a good thing. This was done in jest. Somehow, I think Jesus would approve.

Good humor is a good thing. Mocking someone is not.
What's the cause of showing Jesus as an exhibitionist?
What's funny about making fun of someone's horrible death in pain?

quote: plus, if your beliefs are true, aren't they strong enough to withstand a joke?

there's constructive and not constructive criticism.

	24-03-2005 04:26									#37
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quote: Imagine me showing a picture of some slimy, evil, deceitful Jew planning the doom of the mankind. It'd also be a picture, and it'd be forbidden

Not in the US.

	24-03-2005 04:26									#38
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quote: Imagine me showing a picture of some slimy, evil, deceitful Jew planning the doom of the mankind. It'd also be a picture, and it'd be forbidden

I saw some of those on some Nazi posters.....

quote: Good humor is a good thing. Mocking someone is not.

Jesus was sexually liberal, he had sex with guys and girls, God told me this, I'm not about to argue with him, maybe you'd like to.

	24-03-2005 04:27									#39
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quote: Imagine me showing a picture of some slimy, evil, deceitful Jew planning the doom of the mankind. It'd also be a picture, and it'd be forbidden

You wouldn't hear anything from me. (not that I endorse blahblahblah...)

	24-03-2005 05:15									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid .

You're welcome.

I'm so glad I found that gif. I love using that in religious threads elsewhere where some nutter is getting out-of-hand.

	24-03-2005 05:16									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Imagine me showing a picture of some slimy, evil, deceitful Jew planning the doom of the mankind. It'd also be a picture, and it'd be forbidden Not in the US.

same thing here. I see that kind of cartoons everyday from various authors. But, the fact that they diss on everything and everyone, abusing the clichés makes it funny. I don't know any good cartoonists really focusing on just one or 2 groups of people. Either cartoons are political, or they try to be provocative, and apparently this cartoon of Jesus succeeded in that

	24-03-2005 05:19									#42
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for the dutchies...



OMG lol

	24-03-2005 05:23									#43
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Jail time is questionable. However, the cartoon is definitely blasphemous. And it is certainly going to be highly offensive to most Christians.

@ offending Christians.

	24-03-2005 05:27									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi The drawing is offensive, but this should not be a criminal matter. However, I wonder if the European Leftists who are so horrified over this censorship are as equally upset against censorship over Nazi symbols such as the swastika.

ofc you had to invoke godwinson

	24-03-2005 05:29									#45
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Jail time is questionable. However, the cartoon is definitely blasphemous. And it is certainly going to be highly offensive to most Christians.

[Jonesey]They don't like it up 'em sir. They don't it up 'em.
[/Jonesey]

Can't be worse than this.

	24-03-2005 05:33									#46
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quote: Jesus was sexually liberal, he had sex with guys and girls, God told me this, I'm not about to argue with him, maybe you'd like to.

The irony is just delicious

This goes straight to my sig

	24-03-2005 05:35									#47
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Why is it that redneck preachers are allowed to spout the most vile slanders against queers, atheists, Jews and other people in public, yet we are supposed to care about a humorous cartoon of JC?

	24-03-2005 06:21									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Why is it that redneck preachers are allowed to spout the most vile slanders against queers, atheists, Jews and other people in public, yet we are supposed to care about a humorous cartoon of JC?

They should not be allowed to do so.

quote: Originally posted by alva quote: Imagine me showing a picture of some slimy, evil, deceitful Jew planning the doom of the mankind. It'd also be a picture, and it'd be forbidden You wouldn't hear anything from me. (not that I endorse blahblahblah...)

So, if I did that here, You think everyone would cheer at me as they're cheering at these pictures?

quote: Originally posted by Thorn I saw some of those on some Nazi posters.....

Yes. and?

quote: Jesus was sexually liberal, he had sex with guys and girls, God told me this, I'm not about to argue with him, maybe you'd like to.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Such talk perhaps should not be banned, but should be condemned by all sensible people. But not. For Apolytonian atheists, offending religion is always in good taste, no matter how primitive and obscure it is.

	24-03-2005 06:30									#49
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I think Thorn really believes in God (along with many other supernatural things), and I think he's serious when he says that God told him so...

And yes, this post is not sarcasm.

	24-03-2005 06:32									#50
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Thanks Spiffor.

	24-03-2005 06:37									#51
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quote: They should not be allowed to do so.

Great. Can we have your official word on this. The state is allowed to silence public religious speech.

Oh joy!!

	24-03-2005 06:40									#52
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Wait...I don't see why a picture of Jesus surfing is so offensive. What am I missing?

	24-03-2005 06:50									#53
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I wonder if the judge who issued this warrant or the prosecutor who initiated the proceedings might have an agenda regarding the EU warrant system. Could they be attempting to torpedo it by using it in such a controversial manner?

	24-03-2005 06:51									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Wait...I don't see why a picture of Jesus surfing is so offensive. What am I missing?

1) it's parody of Him going on water
2) He helds his arms apart, in the shape of cross,
but in fact, He opens his shirt for all to see his
nakedness

quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: They should not be allowed to do so. Great. Can we have your official word on this. The state is allowed to silence public religious speech. Oh joy!!

There are limits to any speech. If someone says that homosexuality is sin, it's OK. When He says that we should burn homosexuals on stakes, it's wrong and should not be allowed.

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quote: Originally posted by Heresson 2) He helds his arms apart, in the shape of cross, but in fact, He opens his shirt for all to see his nakedness

Another thing I never got, Wasn't it just puritans that are so worried about Nakedness... I mean go to Europe they have freaking scenes of people having sex on Cathedrals etched into stone in the walls.

Where in the bible does it talk about your natural state (nakedness) being a sin?! (what noah, but he didn't exist).

	24-03-2005 07:09									#56
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Go to a priest, again I tell You.
Stop trolling.
And it's not about nakedness itself, it's exhibitionism.

	24-03-2005 07:11									#57
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I'm not trolling that's whats funny about this.

	24-03-2005 07:15									#58
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Heresson, you still haven't told us why you think we should shun Thron when he expresses his religious beliefs (i.e. that God told him Jesus was sexually liberal, which is his actual belief and not a ridiculing of Christianty)

	24-03-2005 07:30									#59
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quote: So, if I did that here, You think everyone would cheer at me as they're cheering at these pictures?

Again, personally, I wouldn't give a toss.
However, I don't think it's completely the same. I mean what you are describing and the jezes picture posted here in the OP.

	24-03-2005 07:32									#60
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quote: There are limits to any speech. If someone says that homosexuality is sin, it's OK. When He says that we should burn homosexuals on stakes, it's wrong and should not be allowed.

Ah... facism . Freedom of speech protects even speech we find offensive.