26-03-2005 22:31									#31
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT It's not a decision. I'm allergic to alcohol. I discovered this during my First Communion, when I projectile vomited all over the Bishop.

Sure it's the alcohom you are allergic too?

	26-03-2005 22:31									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Soooooooooooooooo true But yeah... Adults can make up their own mind... even if they make the wrong decision. I hate when either side tries to cram their personal view down your throat

So can youth.

	26-03-2005 22:50									#33
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It can help you live longer, it makes you more fun to be with, and it can get you laid. QED.

	26-03-2005 22:56									#34
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**** you, you can pry the bottles of cabernet sauvignon from my cold, dead hands you philistine.

	26-03-2005 22:59									#35
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP What I can't stand are people who really try to push drugs or alcohol on abstainees. Or look at us like we've got 3 heads. Anti-moralists are more missionary than moralists in my experience.

Not in mine. I don't do drugs and I have plenty of friends who inhale. Except for the "you should try" attempts when I first met them (and I did try, and I disliked), they leave me at peace about it. I don't care about them inhaling, and they don't care about me not

Considering that I've drank alcohol since early teenagehood, Idon't have experience when it comes to alcohol.

	26-03-2005 23:00									#36
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Not to mention that red wine is actually healthy.

	26-03-2005 23:38									#37
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Alcohol is fun. Abusing alcohol is also fun on occasion.

	26-03-2005 23:41									#38
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Yeah, we all saw that a couple of days ago.

	26-03-2005 23:44									#39
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	26-03-2005 23:54									#40
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I had lots of experiences with alcohol. I mostly drink moderate amounts, because that's nice. Sometimes I feel the need to go over my limits, but the aftereffects prevent me from doing that so often.

There are several dangerous things about alcohol. The most important is to keep an order on what you drink. So you can drink several beer and then drink wine, but you shouldn't go back to beer then and rather stick with wine. You also should always drink beer before wine. If you drink a mix of beer-wine-beer-wine it'll be worse than if you drink beer-beer-wine-wine.
I am also exploring wine->vodka currently and I haven't had much problems so far, though I am pretty new to heavy drinks such as whiskey, vodka or rum. Any advice would be nice!

	27-03-2005 00:12									#41
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Just drink as much as you can.

	27-03-2005 00:22									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa If you drink a mix of beer-wine-beer-wine it'll be worse than if you drink beer-beer-wine-wine.

This is rubbish. It doesn't matter the order in which you drink your drinks--what matters is the amount of alcohol you are ingesting. Old wives' tales.

	27-03-2005 00:36									#43
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boris speals thenm truith. unjfo4tunately for a poof.

	27-03-2005 00:49									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us I just got home so I dont feel like going into detail right now. All I shall say is that I made a damn fine choice by abstaining my entire life thus far. Alcohol

good idea.

I think I may have a drinking problem. The only reason why I haven't been drinking. The problem is it tastes so damn good . I love Newcastle Brown Ale the best.

But it also makes me depressed and suicidal. It's not good for me.

	27-03-2005 00:50									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Sava It's not the substance's fault. It's the fault of those who abuse it. Moderation marijuana > alcohol

wrong choice. It's an addictive substance. Some people could never abuse it and still get addicted. And it's still a depressive.

Like me for instance. I'm not sure if I'm physically addicted, but I am mentally addicted. And I have not abused alcohol for the past 9 years.

	27-03-2005 00:51									#46
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Abstaining from alcohol There are all sorts of club threads for apolyton drunks, I think we need something for all us polytubbies committed to sobriety.

puking is overrated. and you can spend that money on better things.

	27-03-2005 00:53									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident wrong choice. It's an addictive substance. Some peopel could never abuse it and still get addicted. And it's still a depressive.

marijuana is not physically addictive...

it's only addictive in the sense that good experiences are worth repeating

	27-03-2005 00:55									#48
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actually I was talking about alcohol, not marijuana.

nothing majorly wrong with marijuana. It just smells bad. And it could cause paranoia.

	27-03-2005 01:02									#49
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I second Boris, the order thing is nonsense. It probably was started by the different quantities of alcohol in beer vs. wine. Real "rules:"

*Know the proof and keep track of how many you've had.
*Give one drink time to take effect before slamming down two more.
*If your stomach says no more and your friends tell you to quit being a wuss, listen to the stomach. If one of your friends still presses you, be sure to vomit on him first.
*Don't drink on an empty stomach, and get down plenty of water before you go to sleep.
*Repeat to yourself: "I am drunk. Therefore, any idea I have is probably stupid. Therefore, I should not act on ideas which affect others without their permission, so that I can only embarrass or hurt myself and will probably not get beaten up."
*For the love of [insert belief system or ideal here] don't touch your car keys.

I think those are all the major ones.

	27-03-2005 01:02									#50
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And schizophrenia.

	27-03-2005 01:14									#51
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http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/marijuana.html

While it's not addictive, the stuff is actually worse to smoke, puff for puff, than tobacco. Swarming with carcinogens. That much at least is pretty well proven.

	27-03-2005 01:15									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov This is rubbish. It doesn't matter the order in which you drink your drinks--what matters is the amount of alcohol you are ingesting. Old wives' tales.

no, the order does matter

	27-03-2005 01:15									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Elok http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/marijuana.html While it's not addictive, the stuff is actually worse to smoke, puff for puff, than tobacco. Swarming with carcinogens. That much at least is pretty well proven.

then why don't pot smokers die of lung cancer?

	27-03-2005 01:18									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa no, the order does matter

It doesn't seem like it should, but I think it does.

I once drank Ale, wine, a tequila shot, and then wheat beer. I really didn't drink that many drinks (no more than 6), but I vomited.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It doesn't seem like it should, but I think it does. I once drank Ale, wine, a tequila shot, and then wheat beer. I really didn't drink that many drinks (no more than 6), but I vomited.

Same experience here, but with different drinks. I once had 3 beers (half liter) which normally wouldn't be much of a problem. But I had a shot of vodka in between and that totally killed me off in the end.
Other time I drank wine and beer together and woke up at 5 o'clock thinking it was 2, vomitting on the toilet and generally experiencing the helicopter.

If I keep an order it's much less of a problem and I normally don't vomit.

	27-03-2005 01:33									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident then why don't pot smokers die of lung cancer?

Because it's not physically addictive and therefore they don't smoke as frequently. But they still have a much higher incidence of cancers than nonsmokers, just check the link. And the amount of nasty crap in there is enough to give anyone pause, whether it'll definitely give you cancer or not. It's not a completely harmless, smokable form of alcohol or anything.

As for drink order, you refrained from mentioning time frame and intervals between drinks. Also how much you'd had to eat lately, etc. And look up "confirmation bias." It happened once and supported your theory, so you assumed it was true without investigating, say, times you mixed drinks and didn't get sick. On my twenty-first I had all kinds of liquor. Tequila, cordials, grand marnier, vodka, gin, you name it, in haphazard order. Nothing happened to me; I was a little queasy, but considering I had fourteen drinks that night, am on SSRIs, weigh about 140 and hadn't had much to eat, that's to be expected.

Come to think of it, shouldn't cocktails instantly make you sick, by that logic?

	27-03-2005 01:37									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa no, the order does matter

Nope, doesn't matter at all.

In fact the English saying is the reverse from the dutch( wine after beer blahblah).

	27-03-2005 01:41									#58
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That's because english stomachs work different as we all know

	27-03-2005 01:42									#59
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as a result of that horrible food out there

	27-03-2005 01:49									#60
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http://alcoholism.about.com/od/about/a/aa040615.htm

MYTH: Switching between beer, wine, and liquor will make you drunker.

FACT: Mixing types of drinks may make you sicker by upseting your stomach, but not more intoxicated. Alcohol is alcohol.