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Rufus T. Firefly is offline Rufus T. Firefly
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Well, so far this thread has dumped on a huge number of my favorite authors: Camus, Dostoyevsky, Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Kafka, Salinger, and Flannery O'Connor. As soon as people get around to trashing Balzac, Faulkner, Kazantzakis, Philip Roth, Don Delillo, and John LeCarre, I think you'll have hit everybody.

But I'll play. Among Great Authors, I can't abide Tolstoy (too heavy-handed and moralistic), Dickens (ditto, though my wife swearsGreat Expectations will change my mind), and Henry James (unspeakably dull most of the time).

I also agree that LOTR is so wretchedly boring it makes Henry James read like Elmore Leonard.

And Stephen King is to writing what McDonald's is to food. Except that I don't necessarily feel physically ill after eating at McDonald's.

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As soon as people get around to trashing Balzac, Faulkner, Kazantzakis, Philip Roth, Don Delillo, and John LeCarre, I think you'll have hit everybody.

None of them are even on my "want to read" list.

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Balzac:

Please, I don't ned 20 pages just to describe a ****** table, to quote John Cleese: "Get on with it!!!!"

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My other confession? Most of these books mentioned seem to be books people read so that they can say they read them.


Tell it like it is brotha.

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Catcher in the Rye = worst book ever. A good second is Angela's Ashes. The latter was incredibly boring, full of hypocrisy, and had worse grammar than a damned 7 year old. Sorry, I prefer to read legable books that make sense.


I'm sorry, the Bible takes that title.

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Balzac:

Please, I don't ned 20 pages just to describe a ****** table, to quote John Cleese: "Get on with it!!!!"

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On the subject of LotR, I read Return of the King, then The Two Towers, then tried to read The Fellowship of the Ring, but couldn't. Does this make me a bad person?

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I don't read Stephen King either, and I despised Interview with the Vampire, or rather the half of it I read. I got sick of it and quit halfway through.

Your reaction to LOTR depends largely on how interested you are in its elements of immersive fantasy. I enjoy disappearing into Middle Earth for a little while, so I like the books, but I'm not one of the nuts who dresses up in a green cloak and spouts Quenya, so I don't think it's the greatest thing ever written either.

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On the subject of LotR, I read Return of the King, then The Two Towers, then tried to read The Fellowship of the Ring, but couldn't. Does this make me a bad person?


Not bad, just someone not deserving to live.

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On the subject of LotR, I read Return of the King, then The Two Towers, then tried to read The Fellowship of the Ring, but couldn't. Does this make me a bad person?


No, it makes you dyslexic.



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I've read most of them.

Try reading classics.


Ihave read classics, but I don't tell you the names for a reason.

See my first post.

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classic literature sucks. Why can't they write in proper English?

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Sounds to me like some people have a problem in that their MTV-attention spans won't let them savor a good book that doesn't race along like a Dan Brown novel.

Les Miserables is great precisely because of all the side trips. It's a brilliant look at French history and the culture of the times. You won't find a historical text with a better account of Waterloo, nor a more vivid description of the Paris sewer system.

Now, the great thing is you don't have to read those asides, if you don't want. Skipping them won't make you miss out on any of the book's plot. It will remove some of the background richness, however.

It's worth it to read the novel, however, as it is one of the greatest books written. The story is so timeless that it has inspired more films than any other book in history with the exception of the Bible.

Dickens can be great, too--you just have to get the right one. I'd agree that Great Expectations lives up to its name, and A Tale of Two Cities, Oliver Twist, David Copperfield and a few others stand out. Hell, I even liked Bleak House. Most of the rest I can leave, however.

My most tedious literary experience to this day is still Moby Dick. A so-so introductory chapter, followed by upteen chapters of incredible boredom. Three chapters on whale rope? No thank you. There's a fine line between rich detail and excessive bullshit, and Melville crossed it. The last three chapters are terrific, but they don't make up for having to wade through the rest of the book. Bleargh.

A close second to that was Hardy's Tess of the D'urbervilles. My god, what a wretchedly dull book. It was so loathed by my class that we took turns stomping on the marker for Hardy in Westminster Abbey on our senior trip to London. Putrid.

quote:

Mahler doesnt do it for me.


And you have the nerve to call someone else a heathen?

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Les Miserables is great precisely because of all the side trips. It's a brilliant look at French history and the culture of the times. You won't find a historical text with a better account of Waterloo, nor a more vivid description of the Paris sewer system.

Now, the great thing is you don't have to read those asides, if you don't want. Skipping them won't make you miss out on any of the book's plot. It will remove some of the background richness, however.

That's one sour spot, isn't it.
Get's you everytime Boris. Every six months you come back with that same reply, might as well copy it to a text file.

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Camus


Good

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Dostoyevsky


Good

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Fitzgerald


Crap

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Hemingway


Good

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Kafka


Good

quote:
Salinger


Good

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Flannery O'Connor


Haven't read

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Balzac


Embarrassingly enough, haven't read

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Faulkner


Good

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Kazantzakis


Okay

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Philip Roth


Never read

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Don Delillo


Never read

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John LeCarre


Okay

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Tolstoy


Okay

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Dickens


Good

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Henry James


****

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LOTR


Okay

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Stephen King


****

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classic literature sucks. Why can't they write in proper English?


Because it hadn't been invented yet, which forced them to write in Greek and Latin.

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It's a more sensible language than English.

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I kep getting bogged down in the middle of Moby Dick. I really dig it at first, even the excessively long-winded parts, but then it all just gets to me. I last tried about 4 months back, during a cruise. I still have my place bookmarked; I'll try to go back in another few months. Someday...

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Tolkien- did he ever meet a real live woman, I wonder ?


I'm not keen on 'L.O.T.R.' - give me the original myths any day. The only thing worse than Tolkien's oeuvre is the fanbase. Those awful geeks who dress up in faux-elf gear at his graveside and recite long boring speeches in Elvish.

They should be forced to take part in the revival of a dying human language...

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well... considering that the poems dealing with Luthien and Berien were basically dealing with his wife and him (and I think for her) suggests that he did

LOTR is fairly male dominated... everything he wrote isn't neccesarily...

JM

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in fact... apparently some of the tale of Luthien and Beren was based on his relationship with his wife..

JM

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Faulknier and Conrad are two of my favorite authors (and I have read many others... like War and Peace (but it has been over a decade since I read War and Peace))

Melville I am not a fan of

and I disliked Moby Dick in particular

(Also Magic Mountain)

JM

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in fact... apparently some of the tale of Luthien and Beren was based on his relationship with his wife..

JM



Any evidence she was alive, and not preserved in the root cellar like Norman's mother ?

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most of their children were born after the the tale of Luthien and Beren was started

I think it started based off an expereince with her dancing in a grove..

JM

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I haven't read any Dostoevsky or Tolstoy of Hugo or... a list of books I haven't read would be too long.

I read l'estranger (seems to be translated as "the outsider" where I live) and I loved it. I didn't hate Mersault... I just felt sorry for him. He obviously lacked some important element that completes us as human beings... his crimes and misdemeanours seem to me to have been beyond his understanding... I could not hold him morally responsible for anything that he did. So I pitied him.

My literary confession is that I enjoyed the Da Vinci Code...

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Once you start getting into the 19th and 20th centuries, the books became enjoyable imho.

I liked Faulkner and Hemingway. And Twain of course.

Moby Dick is a great story, but I found it a difficult read. I'd often have to reread passages to get the full meaning.

 
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