01-04-2005 04:17									#61
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever The guy should have been allowed to retire years ago, a weak Pope is no good to anyone, noone believes all that 'Gods spirit on Earth' stuff anyway.

This Pope has always been way too conservative for my tastes, but this is downright unfair; he's been as strong a leader as the Church could want, right up until the very end.

	01-04-2005 04:18									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Be that as it may, don't you think people are just a little too complex to be casually assigned a fate by strangers? How is saying he should be spurned by God for being the head of a religion he genuinely believed in any different from fundies condemning Darwin to Hell? You don't know what he was thinking or feeling when he did the things you know him for. And if he doesn't know God, chances are pretty good you don't either.

AFAIK, my judgements are not official in any capacity.

I think the difference is, I don't claim to be spreading the "word of God" or anything like that. I just speak my mind, telling others what I think is fair and unfair, etc. When I talk about God or whatever my beliefs in Him may be, it's usually in the context of "I hope God exists and that he is fair and just". If something doesn't seem right to me, I'll say so. If you think I'm wrong, tell me why... if you make a compelling case, I may change my mind. It's been known to happen.

	01-04-2005 04:26									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove So what's next? Who will be the next Pope? Will he be progressive, or a Vatican conservative? Personallly I'd like to see them elect a South American.

I'm pretty sure we'll see a Third-World pope in my lifetime, but I don't think it will be the next one.

(There was a lot of talk about the rising star of a conservative Nigerian cardinal a few years ago, but I can't see the Church making a choice that could so easily be turned into a Chris Rock movie...)

	01-04-2005 04:49									#64
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They've been wanting an American for a while.

	01-04-2005 04:55									#65
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Las that I heard the smart money was on a return to an Italian papacy, perhaps someone from the Vatican itself.

	01-04-2005 04:55									#66
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Who's "they"?

	01-04-2005 04:55									#67
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara They've been wanting an American for a while.

And if he'd lived, Bernadin might have had a shot. But we no longer have a Cardinal of his stature, and the recent scandals haven't died down yet. It won't be an American.

	01-04-2005 04:59									#68
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I have to say I like the Pope. He's positions were all logically consistant, unlike so many politicians (this was dramatically exposed by Republican hypocracy in the Schiavo case), even if I didn't agree with him. John Paul's stand against communism and calling for democratic freedom in Eastern Europe should never be forgotten. JP2 was on this issue long before Reagan or Thatcher jumped on the bandwagon.

	01-04-2005 05:15									#69
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no way an american will get it. not after the recent scandals. Even though not involved are responsible for not coming down hard on those who were.

	01-04-2005 05:16									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I have to say I like the Pope. He's positions were all logically consistant, unlike so many politicians (this was dramatically exposed by Republican hypocracy in the Schiavo case), even if I didn't agree with him. John Paul's stand against communism and calling for democratic freedom in Eastern Europe should never be forgotten. JP2 was on this issue long before Reagan or Thatcher jumped on the bandwagon.

but he didn't call for democratic freedom in Iraq.

	01-04-2005 05:19									#71
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It's pretty amazing that somebody with Parkinson's could be so effective for so long. It must have taken a will of steel.

	01-04-2005 05:25									#72
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Some of the harsher criticism of the Pope does seem unjustified. Granted, the Pope was a conservative. However, he's the bloody Pope. Given the confines of the Catholic faith, you cannot expect him to suddenly get wonderfully liberal wrt abortions and the like.
And unlike certain hardline conservatives, he actually deserves credit for the spread of democracy through eastern Europe. Finally, I think that his replacement will be very conservative, and in a couple of years, we'll be looking back on the good old days.

	01-04-2005 05:30									#73
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Uh...news indicates the Pope is still alive.

	01-04-2005 06:17									#74
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quote: A good person dying

You consider Pat Robertson to be a good person?

	01-04-2005 06:28									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X I thought that was Reagan?

No. It was the *****-ass cowards from Euroland. Buncha effete ****s.

	01-04-2005 06:31									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I don't mean to be rude, but you are aware that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are not the same person, right?

Note that I addressed that point in a post shortly thereafter.

And I DO mean to be rude, you ****ing ****!

	01-04-2005 06:42									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Most of this thread so far has been quite a sickening read, considering an old man is dying. Not that it's much of a surprise, but I sense a lot of repressed anger out there. Very sad.

Not so much attacking the person than his function.

I for one can't say I'm said to see him go.

	01-04-2005 06:45									#78
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Poly is full of fricking yapdog pussies.

	01-04-2005 06:46									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly And if he'd lived, Bernadin might have had a shot.

Bernadin was a really decent guy. I didn't agree with him on a lot, but you could see he was a kind person at heart and really cared about people. JP II always had a sour look on his face.

	01-04-2005 06:46									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Winston It's kind of striking though that it's always the leftist lot dancing on other people's graves and death beds. The ones who always like to emphasize how much they care about the well-being of others - as opposed to us heartless right wing bastards.

Like what happens with every execution?

	01-04-2005 06:48									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Admiral Some of the harsher criticism of the Pope does seem unjustified. Granted, the Pope was a conservative. However, he's the bloody Pope.

Hey, don't forget the guy who gave us of Vatican II. He really changed the church for the better, and in much of the world, the church stopped supporting bloody dictators and actually began standing up for their flock. Archbishop Romero, now there's a man who should been Pope.

	01-04-2005 06:48									#82
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quote: Originally posted by alva Like what happens with every execution?

So you're admitting that you do this and just saying that your opponents do the same. You maggot, you.

	01-04-2005 06:54									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Why Robertson? It's Falwell who was at death's door.

Opps. Doesn't matter, in either case they are a waste of a soul. I'm dealing with the lingering death of my grandmother in Florida right now and I misread the Jerry Falwell thread as Pat Robertson. Aw, shucks.

	01-04-2005 07:07									#84
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quote: Originally posted by TCO So you're admitting that you do this and just saying that your opponents do the same. You maggot, you.

You conlude from this that I am dancing on his grave?
If you go back a post or two you'll see I'm talking about his function not the man himself.
Do I think his death will benefit the world, then yes, I think it will.

On the other hand, I want an even bigger conservative nut to be in the vatican, so the whole house of cards crumbles even faster.

	01-04-2005 07:08									#85
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Opps. Doesn't matter, in either case they are a waste of a soul. I'm dealing with the lingering death of my grandmother in Florida right now and I misread the Jerry Falwell thread as Pat Robertson. Aw, shucks.

	01-04-2005 07:27									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Uh...news indicates the Pope is still alive.

News is that he has a Urinary Tract Infection, something that's pretty easy to treat. The fact that he mounted a fever is a fairly good sign. It's the ones who can no longer mount a fever against an infection that you have to worry about.

	01-04-2005 07:30									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov And I DO mean to be rude, you ****ing ****!

I never liked you either, and your taste in music stinks.

	01-04-2005 07:31									#88
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quote: Poly is full of fricking yapdog pussies.

Hear, hear...

	01-04-2005 07:53									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I never liked you either, and your taste in music stinks.

Oh, it's on, *****!

	01-04-2005 08:39									#90
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quote: I never liked you either, and your taste in music stinks.

He's right. Brahms sucks... Mahler and Wagner all the way baby!!!