21-04-2005 15:49									#31
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can you pause the game? I know it's real time action. But I'd like to know how action-y it really is. Do you have to aim or do weird symbols to cast spells (those are really annoying and I won't play a game with thsoe in it). I doubt it though since it's on a controller for the xbox. It would be difficult to draw symbols.

But I really don't like the trend in rpg's to turn them into action games.

Even the new D&D online MMORPG will be like an action game in that you have to aim for specific part of the body. Although that might not be too bad. It might default for the torso, but if you choose to, you can aim for the legs, arms, or head.

	22-04-2005 01:26									#32
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Dont' think you can pause it. Not like you can do in KOTOR. Jade empire is an action rpg.

So Imran, have you finished it yet? It seems its very short, like 20 hours or so.

	22-04-2005 08:35									#33
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quote: can you pause the game? I know it's real time action. But I'd like to know how action-y it really is. Do you have to aim or do weird symbols to cast spells (those are really annoying and I won't play a game with thsoe in it). I doubt it though since it's on a controller for the xbox. It would be difficult to draw symbols.

You can pause the game (the "<" button), and target someone else while paused (or change fighting styles), but all the fighting and magic have to be done real time.

There aren't spells like in other RPGs... basically there are magical fighting styles. One is Dire Flame and when you pick that you shoot fire in your regular and power attacks.

There are two basic attacks. A regular attack (A button), and a power attack (hold down X button). Then there is a block (B).

quote: So Imran, have you finished it yet? It seems its very short, like 20 hours or so.

No... and I have played around 15 hours (IIRC)... and I'm just about half through, I believe.

	22-04-2005 08:40									#34
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So is it better then NWN or no?

	22-04-2005 11:30									#35
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I've been playing this all week.

First, the IGN rating of 9.9 is a joke. The game simply is NOT that wonderful. I think the reviewer went overboard.

That being said, it is an excellent game and is quite entertaining. However, if you've played either KOTOR, you'll be struck by the fact that the rehash a lot of the same plot devices and gimmicks of that game. All of the "puzzles" I've encountered have been ridiculously easy and taken no time to solve.

The pantheon of supporting characters you have seem, overall, rather useless. I suppose having a wide variety adds some nuance, but it makes little difference which sidekick you use in terms of the effect on the game.

The combat is fast-paced and fun, but I ultimately agree with Gamespot in terms of it becoming repetitive and there is no need to get into all the intricate combos. Just leaping, slashing and blocking is pretty much all you need to do in 99% of the fights.

The graphics are gorgeous, the soundtrack superb and the voice acting well-done. Some famous names have cameos, including [celebrity name edited out to preserve Imran's widdle feelings ]. I've not encountered any bugs of note. The story line is alright, nothing outstanding--plenty of cliches to wade through, but also some clever stuff. I think I'm slightly less enamored with it than I am KOTOR II, but that's not saying anything bad, since I loved that game.

I'd give it a 9.0/10

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	22-04-2005 12:26									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin So is it better then NWN or no?

I've only played the demo of NWN... and didn't buy it on that basis... so I'd say yeah .

	22-04-2005 12:28									#37
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Boris... edit out the 'famous name'. It was quite a shock when I played it to hear him as a character. I was really surprised... in a good way. Don't want to ruin the surprise for others.

	24-04-2005 12:21									#38
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Btw, just want to let you guys know. The 'patented Bioware twist' is absolutely shocking. It may even be better than the one in KOTOR .

	24-04-2005 12:30									#39
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maybe I'll get this game if it comes out for the PC

How's the replayability? It doesn't look like it will have much.

	24-04-2005 20:47									#40
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Less than KOTOR, I imagine, just because it's shorter with fewer subplots. You can follow a good or evil course, though, so there's that. I haven't noticed too much difference in choosing different classes of characters.

BTW, I heard that Fable will be released to the PC with TONS of new material, different quests and endings, etc. But they're not doing an update with that stuff for the Xbox.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Less than KOTOR, I imagine, just because it's shorter with fewer subplots. You can follow a good or evil course, though, so there's that. I haven't noticed too much difference in choosing different classes of characters. BTW, I heard that Fable will be released to the PC with TONS of new material, different quests and endings, etc. But they're not doing an update with that stuff for the Xbox.

lol ... I thought Fable was something of a disaster? The new DaiKatana?

	24-04-2005 22:59									#42
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Far from it. Fable is a fun game, but its too damn short.

	25-04-2005 02:32									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Btw, just want to let you guys know. The 'patented Bioware twist' is absolutely shocking. It may even be better than the one in KOTOR .

I think I've already figured it out, actually, or have a pretty good idea what it is.

	25-04-2005 02:33									#44
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Far from it. Fable is a fun game, but its too damn short.

Yup. Fable is terrific in most aspects, but it felt like there wasn't enough of a game there.

	25-04-2005 05:05									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Yup. Fable is terrific in most aspects, but it felt like there wasn't enough of a game there.

I guess I just mean that it didn't live up to admittedly massive expectations, and came out well after it was initially supposed to. DaiKatana wasn't a horrible game either, just not the superstar game it was alleged to be.

	25-04-2005 06:23									#46
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quote: BTW, I heard that Fable will be released to the PC with TONS of new material, different quests and endings, etc. But they're not doing an update with that stuff for the Xbox.

As it should be

	25-04-2005 10:36									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I think I've already figured it out, actually, or have a pretty good idea what it is.

I thought I did as well... but I was wrong. If you guessed it correctly, kudos to you .

quote: Far from it. Fable is a fun game, but its too damn short.

I have to agree. I loved Fable. I just wish there was more. That fishing subgame was addictive as Hell!

quote: How's the replayability? It doesn't look like it will have much.

Supposedly, it's pretty decent. The 'Closed Fist' way differs from the 'Open Hand' and creates interesting alternatives to quests... or so I've read.

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OKay, finished it last night! I was mostly right about the twist.

spoiler(highlight to read): I had guessed about midway into the game that Master Li would end up being the main baddie. So I wasn't the least bit shocked when he betrayed me. I was surprised I died, though... I initially thought it would turn out he was Death's Hand, and that he had been secretly running the Lotus Assassins from afar for years. In a sense, I was right there, except he stopped being Death's Hand 20 years ago. The finale was a bit of a letdown. I wanted a bit more of a drawn out conclusion after defeating Li. (btw, I found Li far easier to defeat than the Emperor, but that's probably because I maxed out my sword skills, which the Emperor was immune to but Li wasn't). But it ended right away without much closure (I don't count the cheap text wrap-ups as closure).

BTW, did anyone watch all the closing credits? Some funny stuff.

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spoiler(highlight to read): Well, kudos to you. Li turning bad suprised the **** out of me. I thought Death's Hand would come in and beat me down and take Li again... I thought the twist was going to be the relation between Li and Dawn Star (or the main character). And he wasn't actually Death's Hand. He just wore the uniform that would be Death's Hand later . Prince Sun Kim headed the Order of the Lotus, which becomes the Lotus Assassins after the Water Dragon is killed. And Sun Hi isn't simply immune to weapons. He is immune to any attack based on what he has in his hands. If he has a weapon, then he's immune to weapons. If he has nothing, then he's immune to martial arts. Made him difficult to fight... Li could just paralyze if you got too far and he also had this thing that killed your health if you hit him (like the shield around you.. that you get). And he was the only bad guy that could go into focus mode. I hear it is harder on the Hardest Difficulty... maybe I'll go there for my Closed Fist character I'll do next. The ending should have been better. Maybe a discussion between you and the, now powerful and reborn, Water Dragon. Just a wrap up. And in the 'where are they now' section, I would have prefered some movie scenes with the text of the scrolls underneath. FWIW, I finished in the game in like 29 hours. So decent length, but no where near KOTOR I & II