14-04-2005 00:04									#31
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If hockey was being played this year, I wouldnt even think twice about my trip plans. I would build my trip around a late season Flyers vs. Leafs game in Toronto..

	14-04-2005 00:11									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Alright, I'll try my hand at defending Toronto. It's big, has lots of restaurants, is the centre of business in Canada and, um, well that's about it. Oh yeah - we've got the world's largest concrete dildo!

Very good.

Now, say it like you mean it.

	14-04-2005 01:02									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Dildo, NFLDLBRDR is where it's at. Ignore these fools.

If I want to watch a whale, I dont need to go to Dildo. I can just go across the Delaware river to Trenton.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/13/nj.whale.ap/index.html

	14-04-2005 01:52									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil The beating continues.... Surely someone on these boards wants to defend that "world class" city known as Toronto...?

Toronto is a boring, flat, ugly grid. The only noteworthy thing that ever happened here was when the Americans burned it to the ground during 1812.

Anyone game for some historical "re-enactments"?

Edit: But seriously, for the love of god, stay away from the T-dot. (And that ridiculous nickname alone is enough to warrant a nuking)

	14-04-2005 07:44									#35
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BFG: Ignore these other Canadians. They get confused when they go to a real city like Toronto.

Toronto's the only Canadian city with culture, important museums like the Hockey Hall of Fame, theatre, great clubs, MLB, incredible food and the most multicultural city in the world.

Montreal and Quebec City are worth one day each. Ottawa isn't worth a drive through.

	14-04-2005 08:02									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai incredible food

Toronto does have awsome resteraunts, but the food does tend to be on the greasy side, regardless of where you go. Maybe that's just a big city thing, though.

	14-04-2005 08:31									#37
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Well if you only eat at MacDonald's and Burger King...

	14-04-2005 09:19									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Toronto's the only Canadian city with culture, important museums like the Hockey Hall of Fame, theatre, great clubs, MLB, incredible food and the most multicultural city in the world.

	14-04-2005 19:16									#39
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Torontonians have to believe it Oncle. They would live in absolute despair otherwise.

	14-04-2005 21:11									#40
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To be fair (and since I do live here), it's not like Toronto is hell on Earth. It's a decent city to live in and has many good big city features. To me, it's just that it's no different from any other big cities, and really has no defining characteristics (other than being the centre of Canadian business). Plus the constant self aggrandizement is annoying. The self comparisons to New York (when really, it's maybe 3/4 the city Chicago is, if that) are pitiful. If there was just more acceptance of the fact that it's a rather mundane big city, it would make it better.

	14-04-2005 21:15									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki To be fair (and since I do live here), it's not like Toronto is hell on Earth.

Yeah, that title is reserved for Detroit.

	14-04-2005 21:16									#42
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Yeah, that title is reserved for Detroit.

...and their bastard cousins in Windsor.

	14-04-2005 21:19									#43
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Buffalo makes a decent case too, but I'd have to give the nod to Detroit. I was there last summer and holy hell, talk about flight to the suburbs and complete inner city decay.

	14-04-2005 21:20									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Montreal and Quebec City are worth one day each. Ottawa isn't worth a drive through.

Oh, please. Ottawa is the only place worth going in Ontario... or west of Montreal for that matter.

Ottawa actually has character, Toronto is just a wannabe American city.

And sure, Toronto has alot of immigrants... but so does Miami. You know what else those two cities have in common? They are both hell holes.

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quote: Originally posted by Wezil ...and their bastard cousins in Windsor.

Border cities just suck - on both sides of the border.

	14-04-2005 21:23									#46
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Yeah, that title is reserved for Detroit.

Wow, you know you're a really special city when your claim to fame is "not as nasty as Detroit".

Edit: Why is it so much fun to hate on Toronto?

	14-04-2005 21:29									#47
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Wow, you know you're a really special city when your claim to fame is "not as nasty as Detroit". Edit: Why is it so much fun to hate on Toronto?

Kontiki got it right earlier:

quote: Plus the constant self aggrandizement is annoying. The self comparisons to New York (when really, it's maybe 3/4 the city Chicago is, if that) are pitiful.

It is the constant effort to try and make people believe it is a better city than it is that annoys me. Anyone who has been there for any length of time knows the truth.

	14-04-2005 21:51									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Kontiki got it right earlier: It is the constant effort to try and make people believe it is a better city than it is that annoys me. Anyone who has been there for any length of time knows the truth.

Yeah, I agree. As an Ottawa resident, I meet tons of Torontonians who come up here to visit and do nothing but but brag about how much better Toronto is. And its never anything substantial, just "we're bigger, we're bigger!11!!".

I think thats the Toronto mindset, bigger is better. Like when a few years ago they decided "Hmmm... 500,000 people isn't big enough. Let' fool around with these lines on the map and make our city 2.5 million overnight. Horray... now we make the top 10 list in North America."

Its still just a city of half a million at heart.

	14-04-2005 21:56									#49
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Thanks Spec. I will be in touch when I have the trip details ironed out.. How important is it to try to speak French while in Quebec?

Not very important. In Montreal, pretty much everyone speaks english. In Quebec city about 50% of the people speak english. On the otherhand, the other 50% you probably wont have to talk to.

Just PM me when you ready.

Spec.