Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Off-Topic > who is the most evil evil guy
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!
20.Sep: FOURTH CHAPTER IN `HISTORY OF...` PUBLISHED
13.Sep: NEWS ON THE FLY
06.Sep: APOLYTON DONATES TO HURRICANE RELIEF

bottom of page
   - CIVILIZATION 3 $9.99 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $6.95 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $4.25 - ALPHA CENTAURI + ALIEN CROSSFIRE (laptop collection) from $19.99 - ALPHA CENTAURI PC $9.99 -->
Author
Thread   
Pages (5): [ 1   2   3   4   5   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
Frankychan is offline Frankychan
King
In the Kingdom of Hawaii (CPA Member)
Sep 2001
time: 19:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 10:19 Visit Frankychan's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#91 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

Damn,

Dark Helmet was a pretty good one. I would like to change my answer to include him.

quote:

Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb.

- Dark Helmet


ALWAYS cracks me up.

Barinthus is offline Barinthus
King
A Magical Moment...
Jan 2004
time: 21:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 10:22
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#92 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

Frankychan

Ahh I forgot that one, Ted!

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
King
Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 10:47
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#93 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

How could I forget... opera's evil villains!

-Baron Scarpia in Puccini's Tosca. Undoubtedly one of the nastiest heavies of them all. A raging mysoginist who blackmails the heroine Tosca into sleeping with him by threatening her lover Mario with hanging. She thwarts Scarpia with a knife in the chest after he's signed her pass to leave the country, but he gets the last laugh (I suppose) when the mock execution he's set up for Mario turns out to be real. Tosca flings herself from a castle roof in the end.

-Iago in Verdi's Otello. Closely follows the Shakespeare, except he gets a deliciously evil soliloquy ("Credo"), and in the end he gets away.

-Don Carlo in Verdi's La Forza del Destino. After his sister Leonora's lover, Alvaro, accidentally kills their father, Carlo spends his life hunting the duo in revenge. In the end he is mortally wounded by Alvaro in a duel, but as he's dying he manages to stab the grief-stricken Leonora in one last act of spite.

-The Queen of the Night from Mozart's Die Zauberflote. She's shrill, manipulative and just plain mean. She's tricked her daughter Pamina into thinking that the noble priest Sarastro is evil and then uses her to try and assassinate him. When Pamina catches on and joins forces with the good guys, mum decides to kill the whole lot and give Pamina to a slave who tried to rape her. Sarastro calls down the forces of light to vanquish the queen and her minions, however, and Pamina gets to marry hunky Tamino instead.

-The Duke of Mantua in Verdi's Rigoletto. Even though he gets the best tune ("La donna e mobile"), the Duke is an utter cad. He poses as poor student to seduce Gilda, daughter of his deformed jester, Rigoletto. The Duke's cronies kidnap Gilda and take her to the palace, and the Duke proceeds to rape her. Rigoletto plots revenge by hiring an assassin to lure the duke to a ramshackle Inn and murder him in his sleep. Alas, poor, stupid Gilda gets wind of the plan, intervenes and gets herself killed instead. The Duke gets away scott free.

-Hagen in Wagner's Gotterdamerung. He's a vile, greedy beast who is after the ring of the gods. He murders hero Siegfried and his own half-brother Gunther before being drowned in the Rhine while diving after the ring.

-Claggart in Benjamin Britten's Billy Budd. It's hard to envisage a more hateful character. He is the humorless, cynical master-at-arms aboard the H.M.S Indomitable who makes it his mission in life to destroy Billy Budd, a sailor, just because Budd is handsome and good. He conives to get Billy charged falsely with mutiny, but gets his comeuppance when the strong Billy strikes him dead in a fit of fury over the charges. All doesn't end well, though, as Billy gets executed for murder.

Kabanicha in Janacek's Katya Kabanova. The mother-in-law from hell. She torments her son's wife Katya to no end and eventually drives the young girl to throw herself into a raging river.

Alfio in Mascagni's Cavalleria Rustican. He's the quintessential bully. He's married to the beautiful Lola, but her true love is Turridu (whom she initially wanted to marry, but he left for the army so she jumped to the next fellah). Anyway, in the end Alfio brutally kills Turridu in a duel sparked by jealousy.

Rangoni in Mussorgsky's Boris Godunov. The snake-like Jesuit monk only appears in Act III, but he's evil enough to make his presence known. He entices the lovely Polish princess Marina to bed the young Russian pretender Dmitri in order to pave the way for Catholic missionaries into Russia. When she resists, he manipulates her by alluding to her fading beauty as well. He later manipulates Dmitri just as skillfully through his love for Marina. In the end he gets what he wants--a Polish army with Dmitri at its head ready to invade Russia to depose Tsar Boris.

Mrs. Lovett in Sondheim's Sweeny Todd. While the deranged Todd is the one slashing people's throats, it's Lovett who is the real ghoul, as she uses their remains for her meat pies. She eventuall causes Todd to kill his own wife, but Lovett herself ends up shoved into an oven to be baked.

The Grand Inquisitor in Verdi's Don Carlos. This evil, bitter and blind 90-year old man allows King Phillip II of Spain to condemn his son Carlos to death on the premise that God sacrificed his own son to save the world. However, the Inquisitor goes further and forces the king to give up his best friend, the Marquis de Posa, to the Inquisition. The Inquisitor has de Posa imprisoned and murdered.

Those are the most evil, at least. There are tons more villains, but those all tend to have at least a few redeeming features.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 11:00 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#94 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

The Man in Undercover Brother.

Frankychan is offline Frankychan
King
In the Kingdom of Hawaii (CPA Member)
Sep 2001
time: 19:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 11:04 Visit Frankychan's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#95 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

I thought this was "movie villains"?

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
King
Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 11:06
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#96 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

Why limit our villainage?

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 11:12 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#97 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Lawrence Olivier was better than Ian McKellen as Richard III.

Frankychan is offline Frankychan
King
In the Kingdom of Hawaii (CPA Member)
Sep 2001
time: 19:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 11:16 Visit Frankychan's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#98 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Why limit our villainage?


Dude, I'm impressed. This is existential stuff. I go to movies because of villains. That's why I don't go to movies like "Armageddon" or "The Day After Tommorow". I like villains more so than the hero/heroine (no puns, please).

But if the villain is cheesy, I get pissed...

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
King
Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 11:22
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#99 Report this post to a moderator
Put an end to popups!

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Lawrence Olivier was better than Ian McKellen as Richard III.


Heartily disagree. I found Olivier's Richard a bit too pedestrian. McKellan's interpretation was far more visceral.

sprucemoose3311 is offline sprucemoose3311
Chieftain
san jose, ca
Jun 2002
time: 21:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 13:02 Visit sprucemoose3311's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#100 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

1. dicaprio in titanic
2. warren beaty (anything he is in)
3. the entire cast of mama mia
4. Saddam in Hot SHots part one and deux
5. everyone involved with Catwoman and Elektra

Dis is offline Dis
Emperor
Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 13:09 Visit Dis's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#101 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

what do you have against mama mia?

sprucemoose3311 is offline sprucemoose3311
Chieftain
san jose, ca
Jun 2002
time: 21:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 13:14 Visit sprucemoose3311's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#102 Report this post to a moderator
Put an end to popups!

eh, i never got into mama mia... just didnt care for it, and hada cahnce to pick on it

Barinthus is offline Barinthus
King
A Magical Moment...
Jan 2004
time: 21:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 13:18
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#103 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

I can't believe I forgot this one... *shudder*

Attachment: 30_richard_simmons.jpg
This has been downloaded 71 time(s).

Frankychan is offline Frankychan
King
In the Kingdom of Hawaii (CPA Member)
Sep 2001
time: 19:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 13:20 Visit Frankychan's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#104 Report this post to a moderator
Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

that's just wrong, dude.

Dis is offline Dis
Emperor
Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 13:23 Visit Dis's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#105 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by sprucemoose3311
eh, i never got into mama mia... just didnt care for it, and hada cahnce to pick on it


or are you talking about some movie? I have never heard of the movie. I was talking about the Vegas show.

It's a chick show. But one you hope by bringing a chick to, she'll have sex with you after the show

molly bloom is offline molly bloom
Prince
Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 13:56
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#106 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

The Inquisitor in 'The Brothers Karamazov' as played by John Gielgud.


The paratroopers' commander in 'The Battle of Algiers'.


Henry & Ottis in 'Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer'.


The assorted worthies and gentry in Pasolini's 'Salo: or the 120 Days of Sodom'.

beingofone is offline beingofone
Warlord
U.S.A.
Apr 2003
time: 05:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 16:09 Visit beingofone's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#107 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

"I am a man of simple means, all I want is Australia"
- Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor

Attachment: lex luthor.jpg
This has been downloaded 65 time(s).

beingofone is offline beingofone
Warlord
U.S.A.
Apr 2003
time: 05:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 16:12 Visit beingofone's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#108 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

"I am a man of simple means, all I want is Australia"

"The greatest criminal mind the world has ever seen, and I am surrounded by idiots"

- Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor

Attachment: lex luthor.jpg
This has been downloaded 65 time(s).

molly bloom is offline molly bloom
Prince
Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 17:31
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#109 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Lawrence Olivier was better than Ian McKellen as Richard III.


Nope.

Laurence included a tiny degree of ham that makes his performance unkosher.


McKellen's was a more measured and also knowing performance- his psycho is bad, knows he's bad and enjoys it.

Frankychan is offline Frankychan
King
In the Kingdom of Hawaii (CPA Member)
Sep 2001
time: 19:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 18:42 Visit Frankychan's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#110 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

Lex Luthor=Australia.

Awesomeness.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 20:23 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#111 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
Originally posted by molly bloom
Laurence included a tiny degree of ham that makes his performance unkosher.


McKellen's was a more measured and also knowing performance- his psycho is bad, knows he's bad and enjoys it.


Of course Olivier was a ham. That's Olivier. His portrail of Richard III made him seem more human and his wooing of the Lady Anne is far more believable than McKellen's. Don't get me wrong, I love McKellen's portayal, and I thought I'd hate Olivier before I saw it, but I have to hand it to him. He really is a damned fine actor. Where Olivier's version falls flat is at the end, where he gets all artsy.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 20:24 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#112 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

quote:
Originally posted by molly bloom
Henry & Ottis in 'Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer'.


That movie scared the **** outta me.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
King
Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 21:00
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#113 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Of course Olivier was a ham. That's Olivier.


Ugh, no! Olivier was more than capable of subtle, nuanced performances. Watch the BBC King Lear he did, for instance.

I think Olivier's performance was great, just not as great as McKellan's. I think McKellan knows that role better than anyone and this portrayal captured the spirit that Shakespeare meant. Richard does his evil with a twinkle in his eye. Olivier just didn't have that mischief--he was all heavy.

Provost Harrison is offline Provost Harrison
Emperor
The farce is strong with this one.
Feb 2000
time: 05:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 22:21
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#114 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

My God, the luvvies have arrived

Dr Strangelove is offline Dr Strangelove
King
USA
Jan 1970
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 22:28
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#115 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
How could I forget... opera's evil villains!
-Iago in Verdi's Otello. Closely follows the Shakespeare, except he gets a deliciously evil soliloquy ("Credo"), and in the end he gets away.
Yes, Iago has to be one of classic literature's great villains.
quote:

-Hagen in Wagner's Gotterdamerung. He's a vile, greedy beast who is after the ring of the gods. He murders hero Siegfried and his own half-brother Gunther before being drowned in the Rhine while diving after the ring.
What about Wotan himself? His theft of the Rhine maidens' gold started the whole tragedy. He took the stolen gold and used it to finance the construction of a new castle. I've always thought of the Niebelungreid as an allegory of political corruption, in which a single greedy act sets forth a series of events ultimately ending in ruin.
]

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
King
Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 22:39
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#116 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
What about Wotan himself? His theft of the Rhine maidens' gold started the whole tragedy. He took the stolen gold and used it to finance the construction of a new castle. I've always thought of the Niebelungreid as an allegory of political corruption, in which a single greedy act sets forth a series of events ultimately ending in ruin.


That's not quite how it happens. It's Alberich who steals the gold from the Rhine maidens, not Wotan.

Wotan is egged into building Valhalla by his wifey, Fricka. He has no means of paying for it, so he offers Fricka's sister Freia (at the suggestion of Loge, mind you) as payment to the giants building it (Fasolt and Fafner). But when the giants come to collect, Wotan tries to weasel out of it. Loge clues him in on the Rhine gold that Alberich has, so they go and steal the gold and the ring from Alberich. Wotan even gives up the ring to the giants to save Freia. So he doesn't act with evil, really.

The giants are evil, though. Fafner kills Fasolt (his own brother) on the spot to get the ring. He then turns into a dragon.

Dr Strangelove is offline Dr Strangelove
King
USA
Jan 1970
time: 00:34
  Old Post 16-04-2005 23:49
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#117 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov


That's not quite how it happens. It's Alberich who steals the gold from the Rhine maidens, not Wotan.

Wotan is egged into building Valhalla by his wifey, Fricka. He has no means of paying for it, so he offers Fricka's sister Freia (at the suggestion of Loge, mind you) as payment to the giants building it (Fasolt and Fafner). But when the giants come to collect, Wotan tries to weasel out of it. Loge clues him in on the Rhine gold that Alberich has, so they go and steal the gold and the ring from Alberich. Wotan even gives up the ring to the giants to save Freia. So he doesn't act with evil, really.

The giants are evil, though. Fafner kills Fasolt (his own brother) on the spot to get the ring. He then turns into a dragon.


OK, first he offers his wife's sister as a barter item, then he offers twice stolen gold. Sounds pretty evil to me.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
King
Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
  Old Post 17-04-2005 00:03
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#118 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote:
Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
OK, first he offers his wife's sister as a barter item,


That was Loge's idea. And Wotan tells Fricka that he never intended to let the giants have Freia anyway--it was a just to get them to build the castle. So he was conning the giants, who are themselves evil.

quote:

then he offers twice stolen gold. Sounds pretty evil to me.


But he only steals the gold and offers it to the giants to save Freia. If he were evil, he could have just let them have her and be done with it, keeping the gold for himself. Instead he gives them the gold AND the ring. Giving up the ring to save Freia was certainly selfless, as with it he could have wielded a great deal more power.

I'm not saying Wotan is a nice guy, but I don't think his actions qualify as "evil."

Dr Strangelove is offline Dr Strangelove
King
USA
Jan 1970
time: 00:34
  Old Post 17-04-2005 04:21
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#119 Report this post to a moderator
Suffering from ads?

quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov


That was Loge's idea. And Wotan tells Fricka that he never intended to let the giants have Freia anyway--it was a just to get them to build the castle. So he was conning the giants, who are themselves evil.



But he only steals the gold and offers it to the giants to save Freia. If he were evil, he could have just let them have her and be done with it, keeping the gold for himself. Instead he gives them the gold AND the ring. Giving up the ring to save Freia was certainly selfless, as with it he could have wielded a great deal more power.

I'm not saying Wotan is a nice guy, but I don't think his actions qualify as "evil."


Wasn't Wotan supposed to be the god of treaties? Wasn't the magic of his staff that it carried treaties binding the warring nations together? He was the law amongst the gods, but it seems he wasn't much of a role model. For a man of law and order to con evil people into working for him could be considered both stupid and corrupt.

molly bloom is offline molly bloom
Prince
Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:34
  Old Post 17-04-2005 17:54
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#120 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Of course Olivier was a ham. That's Olivier. His portrail of Richard III made him seem more human and his wooing of the Lady Anne is far more believable than McKellen's.



Yeah, over her husband's coffin. I don't think so...

In any case, Olivier wasn't simply a ham, just sometimes his performances are too decorated- like his West Indian Othello, who's been closer to Jamaica than North Africa.


His Hamlet and King Henry V are much better- Olivier's Richard III has too much of Snow White's nemesis in it.

 
Pages (5): [ 1   2   3   4   5   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:34.
Apolyton Time is 00:34.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0676 seconds (93.13% PHP - 6.87% MySQL) with 30 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net