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JohnT is offline JohnT

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Now you have to find a quote and then stay online until someone smart enough to Google it can tell the answer.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Have a good night, Ben!

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Although my perception is that they are, I would be willing to hear evidence to the contrary. To be fair, it's difficult to know for sure, considering that Americans move from place to place so often and there has been a big urbanization process going on as well. That said, most of the churches that I have attended have been very well attended, even in the city at English-language masses (spanish-language masses don't seem to be supplanting English-language masses, but rather complementing them). Also, there are lots of churches being built.

There are wrinkles. As AH alludes to, the church's teaching on contraception is widely ignored, even in or especially in the red states. But so far that hasn't seemed to impact church attendance any more than other things in previous generations. The pedophilia scandals greatly negatively impacted the church's moral standing and I'm sure it impacted giving at least temporarily. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that attendance was negatively impacted temporarily too.

Also, as noted, the number of priests and religious has fallen off rather substantially. But I bet that has a lot more to do with no more 4th sons becoming priests, etc. The structure of the post-modern family seems particularly ill-suited to generating priests in great numbers. On the other hand, my brother was in the seminary and left it at the last minute to marry, so undoubtedly there are other issues going on with regard to post-modern life. The priest at my sister's parish just left the priesthood because of what is assumed to be marriage.

Tellingly, at the mass for the pope (attended by Bush), Cardinal McCarrick spent a good half minute praying for new priests and religious. The prayers for new priests keep getting longer and longer...

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Are you in the right thread Mister Kenobi?

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Yes, that is the quote.

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Ned?

ACK!

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Nope

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Well we know it's not Dinodoc then

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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DanS?

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BK?

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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OK, I got tired of waiting for BK to confirm my answer, so I searched and found this:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...50&pagenumber=3

confirming myself as right. So, I declare myself the winner.

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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The next quote:

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now, now I'm not going to create a repeat of my thread about wanting to play video games rather than have sex. we know that isn't true. But you can't have sex all day (at least I can't), but you can play computer games all day.

My point is sex is something that only lasts a short period of time. Why does our culture focus so much on it? Life is more than sex. It's about socialization, it's about going out and having fun. I don't think humans have sex over 1% of our time, so why does it dominate 75% of our entertainment?

discuss.

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well pahdon me.

Congrats shi.

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Dissident

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Dissident


Correct! Good job!

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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"What did you think [of my opera], maestro?"

"Oh, it was quite good. I think that some day I shall try to set it to music."

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Mozart?

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Ludwig von Beethoven ?

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"What did you think [of my opera], maestro?"

"Oh, it was quite good. I think that some day I shall try to set it to music."


A little too tart to be Mozart, imho.

Puccini?

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I thought these were supposed to be Apolyton quotes.

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Ludwig von Beethoven ?


Yup. Said to a fellow composer at the premier of an opera in Vienna. What a *****.

But you get docked a point for saying "von" instead of "van."

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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I thought these were supposed to be Apolyton quotes.


Whoha used a quote from Lincoln on the first page (not the poster, the president).

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But you get docked a point for saying "von" instead of "van."


I stand corrected




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I thought these were supposed to be Apolyton quotes.



OK, picking a random quote from the board.


quote:
Originally posted by ???
Jeez, my posts are intended to be more light-hearted. Not intended as something serious. You're pathetic.

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Denying intent while taking a swipe at another?

Could only be Sava!

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Yup. Said to a fellow composer at the premier of an opera in Vienna. What a *****.

But you get docked a point for saying "von" instead of "van."


And incredibly ironic considering Beethoven's own opera sucked donkey butt. What a conundrum. How can someone's symphonies be so good and their opera be so bad?

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Maybe he had a bad day?

And I think it might be Laz.

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No, it's Fez!

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And incredibly ironic considering Beethoven's own opera sucked donkey butt. What a conundrum. How can someone's symphonies be so good and their opera be so bad?


Fidelio doesn't suck! The music is fantastic. The plot isn't very good, but that's not exactly a deal-breaker in opera. And really, it's only the beginning that's rocky. The second act is terrific, and the music of the finale is among the finest Beethoven ever wrote, rivalling the triumph of the 9th symphony.

I'd say Fidelio is just as good an opera as Il trovatore or Manon Lescaut.

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I hated it. I think it is one of his worst major works. Only the cheesy stuff he did for the money was worse.

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at least give his current login

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Well, you're in a minority there, as most classical music folks recognize that, in spite of its problems, Fidelio is a terrific work. Once you get past the beginning scene, it's high drama and brilliant music.

The biggest problem is the singspiel format, which sucks. But that wasn't Beethoven's fault, since it was decreed by the Emperor at the time that all operas had to be thus. They make the beginning rocky, but once things get going, they are tolerable enough.

I like Sir Denis Forman's take on it:

quote:

From the prisoner's chorus (one of the most moving scenes in all of opera) onwards, the piece holds its power, we can tolerate the spiels and, indeed, the melodrame between Rocco and Leonore is a positive plus. The tension builds through the trio and quartet leading up to the trumpet call and then the joy and the passion of the Leonore/Florestan duet makes it the real climax of the opera. It is Beethoven's ability to make his absolute music pack such a dramatic punch that lends such enormous power to Fidelio: his passionate advocacy of liberty, his hatred of tyranny speak to us directly through the music and make Fidelio one of the greatest of all operas. Only the weakness of the beginning stops it from being an alpha-plus; [it's] a mighty alpha.

 
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