17-04-2005 12:43									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Japher That ain't BS, it happened a lot in my school. Any traffic violation performed on a bike is recorded on your driving record. A BUI is not a severe as a DUI but it will influence the sentence if you get a DUI with a BUI on your record.

bullshit. The purpose of a DUI is because you are driving a dangerous weapon (automobile). You can't hurt anyone on a bike.

Just the other day while watching Maximum Exposure. A guy was drunk riding a lawmower down the street. The cops didn't arrest him because he posed no threat to other vehicles or pedestrians.

The easy way to avoid that is not carry your drivers license with you when you ride you bike . You aren't required by law to carry id with you.

	17-04-2005 12:45									#32
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On contrarier... or something

you are wrong

bikes are required, by law to be registered, and ID is required.

it just ain't inforced too often. However, in Davis, it is.

	17-04-2005 12:47									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Japher On contrarier... or something you are wrong bikes are required, by law to be registered, and ID is required. it just ain't inforced too often. However, in Davis, it is.

crazy Californians. We don't have such laws in my state. Many of our illegal aliens ride bicycles. I doubt they carry ID's.

and I was never required to have an id when I was a kid riding my dirt bicycle to school. I never had an id when I was a kid.

	17-04-2005 12:50									#34
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quote: I guess that some car drivers dont realize im vehicle too. sure i might have been a little too far in the middle but thats my right, right?

NO! They should have run you over

	17-04-2005 12:53									#35
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occassionally we have road rage conditions in my city between motorists and bicyclists. It ends up with the bicyclist being run over. People in my city are very hostile to bicyclists.

	17-04-2005 12:53									#36
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http://fresnosheriff.org/Community/BikeSafety.htm

quote: Bicycling Under Influence of Alcohol or Drugs. VC 21200.5 Provides that it is unlawful to ride a bicycle upon a street or highway while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage or drug or the combination of alcohol and a drug, punishable by a fine of up to $250. A person arrested may request a chemical test. If the person is under 21 but over 13 years of age, his or her driving privilege will be suspended for one year or delayed for one year once the person is eligible to drive.

	17-04-2005 15:16									#37
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 so i was cycling today, and i was in the right hand lane and towards the middle right of the lane. I was coming up to a red light when the guy behind me honked and yelled get off the road. i turned right and was on my merry way. I guess that some car drivers dont realize im vehicle too. sure i might have been a little too far in the middle but thats my right, right?

Your acceleration and top speed on a bike are pathetic, what you hogging the road for?

Get in the gutter/cycle lane and let me get to work on time

Cyclists worry me as many seem to have little or no balance and could be oh so easily mashed by my car, especially if I took a careless left hand turn Think of the touchup job I'd have to do after that.


When cyclists start to pay the costs for the roads in this country, they can expect equal rights on the road.

	17-04-2005 15:28									#38
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Damn Canadians!

	17-04-2005 15:29									#39
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In this town it's dangerous to bike around, I can't keep track of how many times I was close to being hit by a car without it being my fault...

One time as I was at an intersection crossing it on the left side* I noticed this guy who got angry about me crossing it there (forcing him to stop), he yelled out of the window in a not so pleasant tone.
A few minutes later I saw him again, even as he was headed in the other direction he turned around and drove onto the road I went on (just so he could yell even more about me "breaking the law"), but what did he do? He drove along the left side of the road so he could "talk" to me thereby breaking the law


*because there where no bike-lanes on the right side and the law (in DK at least... don't know anywhere else) says I'm allowed to cross the intersection on the left side ("special made" intersection, where this is allowed)

	17-04-2005 15:48									#40
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quote: Originally posted by kittenOFchaos Your acceleration and top speed on a bike are pathetic, what you hogging the road for? Get in the gutter/cycle lane and let me get to work on time Cyclists worry me as many seem to have little or no balance and could be oh so easily mashed by my car, especially if I took a careless left hand turn Think of the touchup job I'd have to do after that. When cyclists start to pay the costs for the roads in this country, they can expect equal rights on the road.

sorry, i just started. when im winning the tour ill let you know.

	17-04-2005 19:51									#41
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I can't stand bicyclists and how they slow down traffic so much. The worst is when you are on a two-lane mountain road, you have a stupid cyclist ahead of you going so slowly, and the road is so windy that isn't safe to pass them using the left-hand lane. ARGH!

	17-04-2005 20:10									#42
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In my city if you drive on the sidewalks you can get a fine.

	17-04-2005 20:44									#43
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Portland is an extremely bicycle-friendly town, so I have to deal with cyclists all the time when driving. For the most part, they're fine, but you get the occasional ones that irritate the hell out of you. Hey, buddy, if you insist on carting your fat ass around at turtlesque speeds during rush hour, at least have the courtesy to stay away from major traffic arteries, okay?

	17-04-2005 23:19									#44
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 sure i might have been a little too far in the middle but thats my right, right?

In Wahsington maybe, but most states require that bicycles, except when turning left, be ridden "next to the curb or edge of the pavement".

	17-04-2005 23:29									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident bullshit. The purpose of a DUI is because you are driving a dangerous weapon (automobile). You can't hurt anyone on a bike.

Talk about bullshit. How could you think you can't get hurt by a bike?

Okay, let's put you in the middle of the street and have a 185-pound guy on a bike hit you full-on while he's going 20 mph. We'll see how well you do.

We just had an incident a few weeks ago where a woman was hospitalized with serious injuries when she was hit by a bicycle while she was jaywalking. It's prompted the cops to start ticketing jaywalkers again downtown.

	17-04-2005 23:40									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Talk about bullshit. How could you think you can't get hurt by a bike? Okay, let's put you in the middle of the street and have a 185-pound guy on a bike hit you full-on while he's going 20 mph. We'll see how well you do. We just had an incident a few weeks ago where a woman was hospitalized with serious injuries when she was hit by a bicycle while she was jaywalking. It's prompted the cops to start ticketing jaywalkers again downtown.

but she wasn't killed. That's my point.

All the DUI laws came about because so many people were being killed.

	17-04-2005 23:54									#47
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quote: Originally posted by kittenOFchaos When cyclists start to pay the costs for the roads in this country, they can expect equal rights on the road.

We do pay taxes that pay for those roads. Thank you very much.

	17-04-2005 23:58									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident but she wasn't killed. That's my point. All the DUI laws came about because so many people were being killed.

You said "hurt" before. And that's not true, even. DUI laws are made to protect people, whether it be from injury or death. If you hit someone with a car while intoxicated, it doesn't matter if you kill them or not wrt to being charged with a DUI.

And you can kill someone with a bike, too. If you can hospitalize an adult woman with serious injuries, you can kill someone. It's just common sense that getting hit by bicycle that's traveling at high speed has the potential to be lethal.

Here's a story from Austin:

quote: APD News Release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 22, 2004 Contact: Public Information Office, 974-5017 MURDER Case: 03-3511680 Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 Time: 11:11 p.m. Location: 4200 block of Guadalupe Street Deceased: James Michael Coffee, 52 (DOB: 03-31-52) Narrative: It is believed the victim was traveling northbound in a pick-up truck in the 4200 block of Guadalupe Street behind two bicyclists. The victim began honking at the bicyclists and the bicyclists made obscene gestures at the victim. The victim stopped in the road. Witnesses state that one of the cyclists struck the victim. The victim was found in the roadway. The bicyclists were last seen northbound on Guadalupe Street. Due to the injuries received, the victim was transported to Brackenridge Hospital. In January, the victim was transferred to Fort Worth to be near his family during rehabilitation. On Monday, April 19th, Coffee died due to medical complications from the assault that occurred on December 17th.

	18-04-2005 00:10									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola In Wahsington maybe, but most states require that bicycles, except when turning left, be ridden "next to the curb or edge of the pavement".

Impossible in the city. There are parked cars there.

Where I'm from cyclists have all the rights of any other vehicle on the road except those involving travelling on a highway.