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Heresson
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of frogs
Jun 2000
time: 06:25
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
You only think that because you are incapable of thinking beyond the constraints of your dogma... |
Yeah, right, You've seen me through
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Herreson , read Laz's historical filth articles he spent a fair amount of time and effort writting them and they are indeed historically accurate. I believe he's compiling them for a book.
It is in no way and exaggeration to say that the Catholic Church has had an on going problem with pedophilia going back centuries. They haven't even begun to deal with it and having a person who continues to deny there is a problem and who then claims it's a giant conspiracy between Jews, Communists, Liberals, atheists, and god knows who else is not going to help solve the problem. |
Bah, a couple of popes, who were since late antiquity the most spoiled part of the church actually when it comes to customs. As early as Ammianus Marcellinus makes a sharp distinction between popes and other bishops.
You're exagerrating, and even that is much milder than what was written earlier.
I'm not denying problem, I'm putting it in right rank.
Also, some accusations of Laz are backed even by catholics - some are doubtable, though.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:25
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'As a young man, the new pope served in the Hitler Youth — compulsory for young Germans at the time — and during World War II was drafted into a German anti-aircraft unit, although he says he never fired a shot. Though Benedict has been a leading voice in the church in battling anti-Semitism and fostering Jewish-Catholic relations, his past raised suspicions in the Jewish state.
"White smoke, black past," said the headline in the mass circulation Yediot Ahronot. "From the Nazi youth movement to the Vatican."
Nonetheless, Jewish leaders said they were encouraged by the special interest by the new pope, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, in coexistence.
"Though as a teenager he was a member of the Hitler Youth, all his life Cardinal Ratzinger has atoned for the fact," said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, an American Jewish group that battles anti-Semitism. Foxman himself was saved during the Holocaust by his Polish nanny, who had him baptized and raised him as a Catholic, until his Jewish parents reclaimed him at the end of the war.
Moshe Zimmerman, a professor of German history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, played down the importance of the new pope's membership in the Hitler Youth.
"He was 18 years old when the war ended, so everything that he had to do with the Nazi regime was as a very young man," he said. "I don't believe that there is any room for doubt that (the pope) of today is very different than the days he belonged in the Hitler Youth."
In his book, "God and the World," published in 2000, Ratzinger tried to combine his belief in Christianity's ecumenical message with his views on the special role of Judaism.
"That the Jews are connected with God in a special way and that God does not want that bond to fail is entirely obvious," he wrote. "We wait for the instant in which Israel will say `yes' to Christ, but we know that it has a special mission in history now ... which is significant for the world."
Tel Aviv Chief Rabbi Israeli Meir Lau — a Holocaust survivor and a former chief rabbi for Israeli Jews of European backgrounds — said his many meetings with Benedict while he was a cardinal have convinced him of his good record on matters of concern to Israelis.
"(The last meeting) was last year, in New York, in the Museum of Jewish Heritage of all places," Lau told Israel Army Radio. "There was a meeting of two or three rabbis with some 20 cardinals .... His entire speech was given over to a condemnation of anti-Semitism, in the strongest and most unambiguous terms."
Writer Zvi Gil, also a Holocaust survivor, said he expects Benedict to continue John Paul's favorable attitude toward Jews, precisely because of his German past.
"His attitude to Jews in Israel will to a very significant extent be influenced by that of his predecessor John Paul II, whose steps are well known to us," Gil told Army Radio. "And as a German I don't think he will want to move backward from these steps toward Israeli Jews."
Commentators say the new pope's theology mirrors that of many Jewish religious leaders, and should not be seen as a sign of prejudice.
"He's much more traditional, and his positions are a lot tougher than Jewish law," said Lau. "And Jewish law is my law." '
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:25
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The central problem with the Latin branch of the Church is that it has always been too severe on sin, particularly, sexuality, demanding celibacy of its priests and chastity, not just faithfulness, of its flock. One can go back in history to see how other branches of the Church perceived the Latin church -- extremists, or in today's vernacular, fundamentalists.
Do you know that for a millenia the Latin church actually taught there was no forgiveness for sins? The concept of confession and remission was introduced from the Irish church. Later, the Church invented temporal indulgences, which turned the Church into a center for corruption that lead to the reformation.
But the extremist views on sex have lead directly, in my view, to a lack of faith in the European and American laity, and certainly have lead to pedophilia, rape of young girls, and nortorious womanizing by priests over the millenia that have more than harmed the church's reputation, it has lead to a loss of faith by many.
The new pope should pause and consider where the Latin Church's extremism has brought it. As the press grows freeer, the crimes and corruption of the priesthood can no longer be covered up. It is time for reform.
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Bill3000
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of Soloralism
Jul 1999
time: 00:25
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Originally posted by Ned
Bill3000, your post about American Catholics about sums it up. The are content to live with heresy and still call themselves Catholic. I am "Catholic," but I am not a hypocrite. I think, no I know, the Church is way off the beaten path on dogma, particularly on sex. I now and then go to church with my family because they ask me to. But I refuse to cooperate with the Church by accepting communion from them. I am a heretic, in their view, and I am proud of it. |
I am both confused, angsty, and relieved about the meaning behind your post. 
Actually, is there a way to offically be excommunicated from the church, volentarily?
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20-04-2005 15:22
Looks like the nonce Pope is going to be an interesting one 
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